White Supremacist Rally to Be Held in DC. Why Don't They Go to Nuremberg for Their Rallies Instead? That's Where They Belong.

@Niburu Yes well they subscribe to left wing orthodoxy so that is perfectly fine.

@SumKindaMunster White supremacists as well as BLM have the right to express themselves in rallies in the US. And they should be open to criticism from others too. Neither side has a right to incite violence. The point of the original post is that the rally being planned has more in common with those held by the nazis in Nuremberg during the 1930s and 1940s than the current ideals of the vast majority of Americans.

@windinhishair
Agreed.


Disagree, I see this as propaganda promoted from the left.

@SumKindaMunster Most Americans do not agree with white supremacists chanting "Jews will not replace us, you will not replace us" and "Blood and soil". That's consistent with the nazi rallies chanting the same slogans. It wasn't the left chanting those slogans. Surely you're not suggesting that most Americans believe in those sentiments.

@windinhishair I don't believe in those sentiments, but I wouldn't violate others civil rights to express such things.

@SumKindaMunster Nor would I. I supported the right for the nazis to march in Skokie, IL back in the 1970s because it was a free speech issue, even though I found the message abhorrent. I still support that right, as long as it doesn't incite violence.

You didn't answer the question though--how are present day nazis chanting the same nazi slogans inconsistent with nazi rallies held in the 1930s and 1940s and have more in common with American beliefs today?

@windinhishair

You didn't ask me that question previously. If you are talking about actual Nazis, then there is no difference. They are the same party and the same beliefs. But we are talking about white supremacists, not Nazis. Or do you see them as the same thing?

@SumKindaMunster The white supremacists were spouting nazi slogans. Whether they self-identify as nazis or not, or prefer the term "white nationalists", I'm more concerned with their beliefs and actions. The actions in Charlottesville and elsewhere by the same group proposing a DC rally are more aligned with the historic nazi rallies in Nuremberg and have little in common with the vast majority of Americans. Don't you agree?

@windinhishair

Beliefs? Why are you concerned with their beliefs? How is that any of your business? People can believe what they want whether you agree with it or not.

Actions? Yes, NOBODY should use violence and intimidation to promote their political ideology.


Agreed. But again, they have the right to express such beliefs and not be attacked violently by others who don't agree with them.

@SumKindaMunster I am concerned with their beliefs because they espouse a philosophy that helped lead the world into world war 80 years ago. Of course people can believe what they want to, but I also have the right to find those beliefs abhorrent, just like I find pedophilia abhorrent.

We've agreed people have the right to express those beliefs peacefully and not incite violence. And people have the right to dissent peacefully as well.

You still haven't answered the question you took issue with earlier, about whether white supremacist beliefs have more in common with the historical rallies in Nuremberg and less with typical Americans today. Clearly you don't want to answer that question. That's OK--most Americans know the answer to that question anyway, which is why the proposed rally in DC raises so much concern.

@windinhishair I did answer that question, perhaps you missed it. Here it is again:

@SumKindaMunster I'm talking about white supremacists. Do their beliefs have more in common with the rallies in Nuremberg in the 1930s and 1940s or the beliefs of the average American today?

@windinhishair
I personally am not, fascism and Nazism have been defeated as political ideologies.

I find that those on the left who attack these people as Nazis actually embody the behavior of fascists much more then these white supremacists you are so concerned about.

@windinhishair I wouldn't know. I wasn't around in the 30's and 40's to witness Nazi rallies and I don't suppose to know the true beliefs of white supremacists and everyday Americans.

I think as a threat to the current culture they are completely overblown and are being used to distract you from other issues and problems.

@SumKindaMunster I'm glad you are unconcerned with people who espouse hatred solely on the basis of skin color, race, or national origin.

To peacefully protest those beliefs in about as far from fascism as you can get. Peaceful protest is a right. And we've already agreed that violence is wrong, regardless of which side it comes from.

@windinhishair
I didn't say that and don't agree with your smug assertion.

@SumKindaMunster So you refuse to answer the question. Fair enough. So you don't know enough about nazis, white supremacists, or everyday Americans to craft an opinion. So what was the point of How can you believe it is propaganda and not have an opinion on it simultaneously?

@SumKindaMunster It isn't a smug assertion--it is the definition of white supremacy.
If white supremacists don't believe that whites are superior to non-whites and Jews, what is it that they believe in?

@windinhishair I've answered your questions.

You just don't seem to like those answers. You seem to have an opinion on the matter and are now upset that I don't agree with your opinion.

I don't see white supremacists as a threat, I don't know their true beliefs as I don't care to know, but I support their rights as Americans to express such opinions and assemble to express such opinions.

@SumKindaMunster Yes, you've answered by providing multiple conflicting answers to the same question. It doesn't matter whether I like them or not. I'm not upset that you don't agree--I'm just trying to figure out what your opinion really is, since we both agree that white supremacists have the same right to express their opinions as anyone else.

White supremacist beliefs led us into WWII. You are free to be as unconcerned as you want to be that people hold the same beliefs today and are encouraged by the president. That's your right to do so.

@windinhishair This is Democrat propaganda:


You are under the impression that Trump encouraged these people, he did nothing of the sort. You are under the impression that these people held this rally solely to express white supremacist opinions when their stated purpose was to protest the removal of Confederate statues. You probably don't believe that they were setup by the Democratic mayor who tried to deny them their constitutional right to assemble, lost that challenge in court and then instructed the authorities to force the protestors into an area of counter protestors. Violence then ensued and a person was killed. But you think this was solely the fault of the white supremacists instead of looking to the leadership who decided it was better to push these guys into a violent confrontation hoping they would be discouraged than protecting their rights.

I'm sure you disagree. That's fine and is your right. But I won't listen to Democrat propaganda anymore and I encourage you to start listening to other sources for your news.

@SumKindaMunster Of course Trump encourages white supremacists. They say themselves that they enjoy his support. He shows it every chance he gets. Can you imagine the potential for violence in DC with the president egging on the white supremacists?

Your assumption is erroneous--I never said that the rally was held solely for white supremacists to express their beliefs, but they certainly did express them, and in a confrontational way.

You do know a white supremacist killed an unarmed protester with his car? That wasn't provoked in any way and as we've both said, violence is wrong. He wasn't "pushed" into violence. He chose to act out his hatred of others and killed an innocent bystander.

I don't believe that the left is completely blameless in all of the violence that occurred in Charlottesville, but the preponderance of the blame is squarely on the white supremacists.

@windinhishair
No, sorry he has disavowed white supremacists and the KKK support he received.


Yes I am aware. And he was arrested and charged for his crime as he should have.


He is solely responsible for his actions, but I stand by my assertion. This never would have happened had the mayor of Charlottesville done his duty as a mayor for ALL his citizens instead of bowing to Democrats and taking serious risks that violence would occur due to him pushing 2 groups of protestors into the same area.


Don't agree. The blame for this lays on Democrat PACs and the Democrat leadership of Charlottesville, who purposely provoked the confrontation and then used the ensuing violence to demonize Trump supporters and Trump.

@SumKindaMunster @windinhishair



I live in the area, the preponderance of blame can goto how the Charlottesville PD handle the demonstrations.

I'm pretty sure almost no one on either side wanted anyone to get run down a psycho in a Dodge.