Sanctuary cities are prime examples of shit holes right?

All of the areas you describe in those cities are nearly walled off. The policing and services are different. Those permitted to frequent those parts are different. @CopperCicada

@jackjjackson I don't know what you mean. I've been to most of them on that list. You drive or fly in. They take US dollars.

@jackjjackson Hmm, I've been to Boston, Seattle, Philly and New York in the last year. I don't remember a one of 'em being walled-off or citizens being forbidden in certain sections.

@Graylight Yea. I mean NOLO has dangerous parts. Philly, NYC, LAX, Chicago, Atlanta. That's an urban thing.

Plenty of cities not sanctuary cities have the same problems.

If you’re implying any of those cities are a homogeneous mixture of people who all happily get along you’re mistaken @CopperCicada @Graylight

@jackjjackson When did I ever suggest that?

America likes to call itself a "melting pot" but it's never liked immigrants. Not now. Not illegal ones crossing borders or jumping visas today. No legal ones coming through Ellis Island in 1880.

That said, the cities I listed appear to have decided to make themselves "sanctuaries" or identified as "welcoming".

@jackjjackson So diversity equals s*******?

@jackjjackson I grew up in shit hole burnt out industrial cities in the NE. Not a single one of them was "homogeneous". I came up in the late 60's early 70's not with hippies but hearing German, Polish, Arabic, Hebrew... hanging with Jews, Catholics and Orthodox. Eating kibbeh and bialys along with MacNCheese and hot dogs.

Everyone talks about this homogeneous American Identity. What exactly is that? I am sitting in my house on land that was once a slave plantation. Even here there is no homogeneity. Even today. Old Southerners. Crackers who still boil cane and hunt wild hogs and make mayhaw jelly. Your Confederate Flag toting Southern rockers mudding and still playing Skynyrd. Blacks descended from slaves. The intensity of faith. Black AME churches that explode with song. The revival tent. Shrimping. Raking for oysters. The transplants. Hispanics. Northerners. Fuck. A few hours away Jimmy Carter teaches Sunday School. Same distance away on the Georgia coast they speak Gullah, a creole from slave times. Still.

So where is this homogeneity? I'd like to see it. I'm not going out of my way to find this diversity. Just is...

Every city on the list is in deep financial trouble. Unfunded pension liabilities among other things. The fringe left has taken over politically in these cities and made promises that can’t be fiscally kept. Longtime residents are being overtaxed and moved from their childhood neighborhoods as they become gentrified and pricey as our friend Northwest points out from his Illoway report. One of the problems among many of the fringe left is pauperizing what were their supporters, bankrupting cities and in a lot of cases the cities are under policed and the crime is soaring. The fringe left may think the term “sanctuary city” sounds romantically noble however it is yet another way of screwing Long time middle class residents. @Graylight @CopperCicada

@jackjjackson From what I can tell, the cities on these lists have one thing in common. And that's diversity. Miami, New Orleans, San Francisco, Seattle, LAX, Philly, NYC, Boston. From what I can tell that diversity has nothing to do with a liberal agenda. The areas I grew up in or around in the NE were "diverse" since the colonial period, or at the latest since the late 1880's. The area I'm in now is conservative AF and it's been diverse since before the founding of the Republic when European Spanish were marrying and making families with the indigenous.

I'm the first to admit that there is a liberal theology of creating and worshipping diversity. But the truth is it "just happened", and it is what it is regardless of identity politics.

Every one of those cities is politically controlled by the fringe left. @CopperCicada

@jackjjackson Please.

You know it. Pretending it’s not true only makes you look foolish. @Graylight

@jackjjackson Miami is run by a Republican mayor. Florida is run by the most Republican governor I can think of. And a fellow criminal, which is probably why Trump likes him so much.

Please @Graylight

@jackjjackson Am I wrong? Do I have my elected government officials mixed up?

@Graylight You touch the example that disproves the generalization.

Cuban culture is very conservative. Republican, conservative Catholic. As is the Greek culture in Tarpon Springs. One of the largest, if not the largest, Greek immigrant community in America.

That's Florida. A red state. Full of immigrants.

The Armenian immigrants in Los Angeles-- very conservative. Socially, religiously, politically.

As are the Jews in the Bronx, Lake Wood NJ. My old terrain.

As are the Poles, Hunkies (Hungarians) in places like Pittsburgh. Buffalo. Chicago.

Indian immigrants. Persians. Israelis. Fuck-- Chinese. All conservative.

Diversity != liberalism.

Urban areas are liberal because of the challenges they face. Not because of the populations they include.

@jackjjackson

The mayor’s party is an outlier the city government is far left controlled a far left mayor was in office when the SC status was effected and the governorship has zero to do with anything. More muddying of the waters by one of the most closed minded users on SW. @Graylight

It has nothing to do with the legal immigrants the illegal aliens and anywhere in between. It’s the result of the far left liberal fringe wanting to appear as do gooders. @CopperCicada

@jackjjackson Then why is so much of our political and social rhetoric about immigrants? about cultural and social homogeneity?

The far left liberal fringe want to feel good about themselves. @CopperCicada

@jackjjackson Yea. I get that. The left wants to go down on a blow up Hillary Clinton sex doll 24/7/365.

That has nothing to do with why our cultural dialog is about immigrants and diversity. Illegal or not. Contrived or not.

Admittedly I did write this question but this subject isn’t generally part of my dialogue so I’m not sure. @CopperCicada

@jackjjackson 🤔

Why do YOU think so? @CopperCicada