She brings up very valid points

@Graylight i think what she was getting at was the amount of coverage. I saw maybe three things about the police yet the crap at starbucks I saw every day for over a week.

@Harley4Life Then perhaps we needed more coverage in your area about the shooting, but not less about calling the police the instant black men sit down in one's establishment. It's not 1960, after all.

@Harley4Life Not to mention many of these people yelling about black guys getting more press are the same ones who've vilified the police for being brutish and thuggish, firing all willy-nilly at innocent civilians. You can't foster animosity against a whole group and the complain not enough people care about them.

@Graylight the manager asked them to leave and they refused that is why the police were called. The color of their skin had nothing to do with this

@Harley4Life The police were called within [i]two minutes[/i]. And oddly enough, most all the bystanders thought it [i]was[/i] about race. That's on tape, too.

@Graylight Nice spin doctoring on the victim bullcrap.

@MethDozer I give you facts of the event. I wonder if you'd consider yourself a victim after being kicked out of a Starbucks for doing essentially nothing after less than 2 minutes. My guess is you sue the place.

@Graylight Would I consider myself a " victim" if it was me? No, I don't trivialize the word victim. Where and when did you give me these so called facts?

@MethDozer [quote]The police were called within two minutes. And oddly enough, most all the bystanders thought it was about race.[/quote]

Police records, video reactions.

@Graylight and?

@MethDozer and I forgot... Those are the pesky facts you guys work so hard to ignore.

@Graylight The impressions and assumptions of a few bystanders are not "facts". Not you or anyone has demonstrated any facts that justify the huge amount of attention or importance thus b.s. has attracted. It's all "feels" over "reals" arguments. Militant outrage for the perceived underdog for entertainment. It's virtue signaling.

@Graylight What you all are ignoring for the convenience of protest is all the possible variables. Is loitering a problem in the area? Is the manager often forced to deal with people hanging out without purchase often? Is this a reoccurring problem? NO kettle just use that racism word out the gates and follow the agenda driven narrative because it's nice. What are the variables and what is the law and rules is what y'all want to ignore because you know, victimize is the black dress and super kewl these days. Rationality takes a back seat to probability and possibility in the name of "equality".

@MethDozer The "fact" being presented was that many bystanders were on tape expressing their anger and confusion; it didn't deal with their inner thoughts.

Loitering may well be a problem in the area and yes, there are variable to consider. But these were reasonable dressed men - certainly not homeless or wearing obvious gang items - who were in the establishment less than two minutes. Time that on a clock. You standing around waiting for someone to get a coffee would violate whatever invisible principle they violated.

If I, a blond, blue-eyed female, had walked into a Starbucks and waiting a god-awful 90-120 seconds without buying anything, I promise you law enforcement wouldn't have arrived and removed me. Chances are, Id never even be noticed.

Just because you don't want it to be racism doesn't make it so. It's not about politics or outrage or protest - it's about common decency and equality.

@Graylight If it's and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas.

@MethDozer The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain. Are we reciting old adages and rhymes? Because that was apropos of nothing.

@GraylightMakeing arguments that are nothing but streams of ifs and chances is nothing.

@MethDozer I understand, but you have to admit there's a point to be made here. If people like me - middle class white women - were being accosted at places like Starbuck's by the police, it'd be all over the nightly news. MUCH more so than black men being told to leave.

@Graylight You might have point if it wasn't for the fact it was all over the nightly news.