A federal judge recently ruled that AR-15's are not protected by the 2nd ammendment of the US constitution. Thoughts?

@jackson55 exactly

If I saw a bear and had an AR15 ... my best move would be to run

@questionWeaver I don't believe a AR15 would even slow down a pissed off bear.

@jackson55 lol ... not at all!

He would not even feel it.

@jackson55 ...But a 19 year old managed to use one to kill 17 people, so...? Maybe it won't slow a bear, but it can kill kids in schools.

@twiggy And we don't focus on his mental health or bullying issues, just guns because they're loud and scary for some people so.....?

@EllaDisenchanted ...Bullying and mental health issues exist globally, only one country has practically regular mass shootings. You can pussyfoot around the real problem all you want, you can brush shit under the rug...but that won't make it go away. More people will continue to die, more children will continue to die, and people will be hugging pieces of metal and plastic to their chest because that matters more to them than human life. It's clear where your priorities lie.

"They're loud and scary for some people"...are you...are you being serious right now? Are you saying that the kids from Parkland (and other shootings) don't have the right to be afraid when they saw their friends die in front of them?

Do you remember the words that served as a foundation for this country? You learn it in middle school...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Life comes first.

@jackson55 It's a semi-auto version of our military's assault rifle - and semi-auto is the real killer on the battlefield. You lose some suppression fire capability over the 3-round burst that most of our soldiers have. But nothing in lethality, handling, etc.

And 22cal is a pretty wide category. There are rimfire 22cal rounds. And then there is .223 Remington .
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@twiggy You say not to sweep it under the rug and you mention the "real problem" yet you brush aside mental states because they exist globally. Gee, what's the real problem then, I'd say it's the thing that is prevalent everywhere cuz the violence rates have not gone down by any significant margin.

@Jackaloftheazuresand ...When did I "brush aside mental states"? I have depression and OCD, so of course I wouldn't do that. Stop with your straw man arguments. Let me repeat what I said since you didn't seem to comprehend it...mental illness exists globally, only the U.S. has such an extensive mass-shooting issue. What's one issue in the U.S. that sets itself apart from other first world countries? Our incredibly relaxed gun laws, and the ease at which a sub-par citizen can obtain a gun. Mental health issues are a problem, of course, but you have to look at the things that set the U.S. apart and is thus causing this issue.

@twiggy and again the root cause is... the mental state. The violence did not stop in those countries, just the gun violence.

@Jackaloftheazuresand ...And high-powered weapons have the capability of killing far more people in one go than other easily accessibly weapons (like knives). Gun violence is by far the most devastating form of (common) violence because of it's capability to exterminate a high volume of people at once.

@twiggy maybe if we solve the true problem it all decreases and we ain't got to lose the guns, eh?

@Jackaloftheazuresand ...Mental health isn't something you can just "solve", dude. It's an unfortunate part of being human. Although, the handling of mental health needs to be addressed...something we can do right now is to prevent giving those who are mentally unstable (like Nik Cruz) access to weapons. Addressing mental health and reducing the number of weapons that legally get into the wrong hands don't have to be mutually exclusive.

@twiggy If you really want to get into the meat of it, the gun removals and restrictions didn't fully solve anything either. Outliers and all that will persist.

Restrict the unstable, not the rest of the population.

@Jackaloftheazuresand But nobody truly [i]needs[/i] an AR-15 or other modifiers for guns that make them overwhelmingly more deadly for practical purposes...not for hunting, not for defense, there are plenty of guns that have less power that can do an adequate job. And for the rest of those guns, the plan [i]is[/i] to prevent the "unstable" from getting it, but propagandists will have you believe that the majority of liberals want guns outright banned (which isn't true, that's a fringe minority). Most just want tighter gun control, and if you're a responsible gun owner, that won't really affect you at all, except maybe having to give up an AR-15 you may own...which I think is a fair trade-in for the human lives that are potentially saved. Of course nothing can outright be prevented, but reduction of these massacres is the goal in the end. The less lives lost, the better.

I honestly think aside from the banning of the AR-15 or whatever, we're pretty much on the same page. You're asking for common-sense gun control for the most part, and I agree with that.

@twiggy You'll lose much more if the government comes and you don't have the weapons necessary to face infantry, that is what I seek to prevent.

@Jackaloftheazuresand ...Your guns won't defend you against the government if it happens to turn south. If you think you can bring down one of the greatest militaries in the world with a couple of boom-sticks, you'd be wrong.

Anyway, I may not know a shit ton about guns, but my school has been faced with a school shooting threat, and a student brought a gun to a neighboring school in my city...and ultimately, I just hope that schools in America will become the safe havens that they were originally meant to be. I'm close to graduation, but I hope the kids that come after me won't have to face that fear. That's all most people are asking for.

I don't think the theoretical threat of the government going crazy and attacking its citizens is nearly as horrific and as pressing as the very real deaths and threat of gun violence that American citizens (including children) face everyday. But that's just me.

@twiggy Yes they would, I've studied rebellions and warfare and I assure you there is a way but it is out of our hands without such weapons and that is a hindered chance I will not allow.

@Jackaloftheazuresand If your paranoid masturbatory fantasies ever come true, you'll quickly find out that Americans, even the redneck types, aren't prepared to take Taliban-level casualties that would be required.

Also, I wonder what the original commenter here thinks about your plan.
[quote]The AR15 is a 22cal semi auto rifle. I wouldn't want to have to go into combat with one of those.[/quote]

@QuixoticSoul Taliban don't have the recruitment that comes from sharing a homeland with enemies.

And if you speak to me again like that I'll treat you how I truly see you.

@Jackaloftheazuresand Lmao whatever dude 🙄

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@Jackaloftheazuresand "I've studied rebellions and warfare"...what an incredibly vague statement. Anyone who's taken even elementary school has "studied rebellions and warfare". Anyway, modern warfare isn't comparable to any scuffles that have happened in the archaic past. ...And no, no there really isn't "a way". I don't know what hero complex you have, but the arms that are available to our government are far more powerful than anything that some regular citizens armed with a couple of guns can overcome. And you're far more fragile than you think you are. Gun ownership may keep local authority in check, but if the feds gets involved no amount of plastic and metal sticks will be able to save you, bud. It's ridiculous that you think it's possible. It's laughable.

@twiggy Um no, they don't teach warfare in school. You don't know what you are talking about just from that very statement. The rebellions are not archaic, they've happened in the last thirty years.

@Jackaloftheazuresand ...What kind of school did you go to where they didn't teach about warfare? A one-room schoolhouse? In my district we learn about warfare since elementary school. In high school, they offer a class focused on just warfare. That's how it is in most school districts I imagine.

I wasn't saying that rebellions haven't happened recently, I was just saying that you can't compare today to the major rebellions that have happened in the U.S. in the distant past or rebellions that have happened in non-First World countries. The capabilities of the U.S. government today is incomparable to either of those two situations.

@twiggy Even better question, what school taught you tactics and strategy in war? I know you've got the terms wrong so there is no need to answer.

It's one thing, if what the other countries are doing to treat their mental issues were done here, might it remove the need to create gun legislation in the first place?