Do you think there will be some kind of gun control or will it just stay the same and a lot of people will get shot still?
22-25, M
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I'm afraid Pandora's box is open on that one. Gun ownership is so deeply ingrained in American culture, it would take a combined military and police effort of unprecedented intensity to make the US equal to Australia or England in that department. Too many gangs. Too many criminals. Mexico right next door. There will be token gun control measures, but they won't make any significant difference because guns are not the real problem . Hard hearts, troubled minds, and greed are the problem. The appetite for money and drugs is the problem. A sickening trend in society is the problem. The cartels in Mexico would exploit any significant drop in the gun ownership statistics in the US and gun running would be right up there with drug running. The harsh reality is that things need to stay the same as far as the second amendment is concerned, there needs to be a change in the hearts and minds of people in the United States. That's the only thing that will ever significantly reduce gun violence in the wild wild west. When I was in high school, we had gun safety courses every time deer season rolled around and most of the senior males had pick up trucks parked in the lot with full gun racks and lots of ammo. You never heard about school shooting then. Nationally, I'm sure they happened , but they were so rare, that the subject never came up.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@puck61
The cartels get 70% of their guns from us to begin with. And the economics of gun running just work differently than drugs - on both supply and demand sides of it.
Mexico right next door. ... The cartels in Mexico would exploit any significant drop in the gun ownership statistics in the US and gun running would be right up there with drug running.
The cartels get 70% of their guns from us to begin with. And the economics of gun running just work differently than drugs - on both supply and demand sides of it.
@QuixoticSoul If there was a demand they would certainly supply.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@puck61 Yes of course - at astronomical black market prices. And at first, they'd probably try to buy up any used or gray market firearm on sale in the US just to stock up.
UK's border is functionally indefensible as far as smuggling is concerned, but some gangs over there are down to flintlocks. Black market guns are expensive in countries where it's hard to buy guns.
If Cartels have to start supplying us for a change, that would be an great indication of progress.
UK's border is functionally indefensible as far as smuggling is concerned, but some gangs over there are down to flintlocks. Black market guns are expensive in countries where it's hard to buy guns.
If Cartels have to start supplying us for a change, that would be an great indication of progress.
@QuixoticSoul Will when Obama and Holder left , their supply from the US was pretty much cut off anyway.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@puck61 The Fast and Furious thing was a ridiculous fuckup, a monstrously arrogant project. But it also represented only a drop in the bucket of the overall cross-border gun trade.
Hell, it was entirely Phoenix-based. And demonstrated just how easy it is to get into the business.
Hell, it was entirely Phoenix-based. And demonstrated just how easy it is to get into the business.
@QuixoticSoul Nah, I think politicians in general exploit the dark underbelly of America for financial gain, drugs, guns, you name it, they are neck deep in it for the money.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@puck61 What does that mean, in this context?
@QuixoticSoul They turned incarceration into a commercial industry, so it pays to have lots of laws and lots of people to break them, so I wouldn't be the least surprised if they don't have their fingers in the gun running pie too.
At least Trump is more honest and is trying proactively to build an impenetrable wall, reform immigration, and rid the country of gangs. If gang violence and street violence was stopped , gun deaths would be reduced significantly. For some reason, I'm reminded of the old children's song, "The Farmer in the Dell" Money,Jails, drugs, gangs, guns, politicians, people instead of "farmers", "wives" , "children", "nurses", "dogs" , "cats" , Mice" etc ......
At least Trump is more honest and is trying proactively to build an impenetrable wall, reform immigration, and rid the country of gangs. If gang violence and street violence was stopped , gun deaths would be reduced significantly. For some reason, I'm reminded of the old children's song, "The Farmer in the Dell" Money,Jails, drugs, gangs, guns, politicians, people instead of "farmers", "wives" , "children", "nurses", "dogs" , "cats" , Mice" etc ......
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@puck61
They turned incarceration into a commercial industry, so it pays to have lots of laws and lots of people to break them, so I wouldn't be the least surprised if they don't have their fingers in the gun running pie too.
What sort of laws are you talking about? If you look at state prisons, more than half of all prisoners are there for violent crimes. Obviously, we need laws covering that to be a civilized country. 15% are in there for drugs - we can probably become more tolerant there, perhaps. What laws do you want to relax that will reduce our prison population?At least Trump is more honest and is trying proactively to build an impenetrable wall, reform immigration, and rid the country of gangs.
I'm not against improving border security, but I don't particularly see it making a dent in our gang situation. Our gangs are mostly filled with natives and citizens anyway. Yes - even MS13. The gang situation is intimately connected with the economics of the drug trade, and those profit margins are an irresistible force of nature. They can only be tackled on the demand side.