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Heartlander · 80-89, M
I have yet to see the names of the individual FBI officials who were responsible for ignoring the warnings. I have yet to see a public admonishment of Sheriff Scott Israel for his and his department's incompetence.
katielass · F
@Heartlander And you wont see their names or any admonishments of the ones who failed the kids. The left is more interested in exploiting this atrocity to further their political goals, i.e. try to place the blame on the NRA. They can't stand when people stand together unless it's something they like, like oh say the right to slaughter innocent babies in the womb.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@katielass Yea, it's like Black Lives Matter to CNN, but only when there's a white police officer involved.
No, I don't think it makes all that much sense, but I also don't think the NRA leadership has historically shown much common sense either, and it sure seems like the pressure on it, from the left, as well as from the right, is a good thing.


Law enforcement needs to do better, for sure, but the NRA should continue to be pressured to focus on "responsible gun ownership" instead of engaging in rabid pro guns at all costs propaganda.


The focus on banning all private gun ownership and repealing the Second Amendment isn't IMO, all that productive, but neither is denying that we have a gun problem.

I think the planned Parenthood analogy is not as really as apt some others, but if we're looking for other analogies, why not look at alcohol.

The NRA may be right that Prohibition wouldn't work, but we regulated alcohol, and when abuse became a problem, society couldn't tolerate, we raised the drinking age, and started imposing stiffer DWI laws.

I wonder, could you be an NRA member and still in good conscience, be a member of a group called Mothers against Mass Shootings?
katielass · F
@MistyCee You obviously have not been listening to the NRA, but rather to those idiots who lie about what they say. smh
@katielass No, I've been been listening to them for years, and it's pretty fucking scary how dishonest they are.

But, I'm hoping the pressure helps, and they'll show they actually do give a shit about something but power and money they can get by manipulating gun fetishists..
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
When you do a postmortem of all of these incidents, there is usually a chain of failures - but that's how it always is, from 9/11, to Columbine, to any serious industrial accident. And few people would not want to improve those intermediate measures that help stop incidents before they happen, at all levels of the problem.

But we also have these types of shootings on a weekly basis, in a variety of contexts - and we are the [i]only[/i] developed country that does. After a while, it becomes silly to pretend that ease of access to high-efficiency weaponry and general American gun culture are not factors in all of this.
katielass · F
@QuixoticSoul You failed to offer a legitimate or coherent excuse for the left trying to blame the NRA instead of the government who failed at every level. I don't hear anyone calling for accountability in the sheriff office or the FBI, except from the right. But that's no surprise, they are the ones with common sense. The left merely reacts like lemmings to what their agenda driven masters bleat out for them to regurgitate. Pathetic.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@katielass What exactly makes you think that (((the left))) isn't blaming inaction of FBI, etc, in this tragedy? Every major outlet on both sides of the aisle is running articles about mistakes of law enforcement.
SW-User
They will always do whatever it takes to keep the focus on guns, gun laws, the NRA and anything else but the real issues. An unarmed, defenseless population, which lacks the ability for critical thinking, is easily controlled.
You'd have served this information better if you didn't become partisan in your last paragraph. Just saying 🤷
@katielass 🤣
Maybe one day...sigh
katielass · F
@BaldAndBold don't strain yourself. The world you make today is the one you will live most of your life in. And I know something you don't know but you'll find out.
@katielass sure. I have offered only a way to an actual dialogue. Guess you've shown your true colors 🤷
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katielass · F
@waleskinder It works better if two parents raise a child. I think we've seen enough of what happens when a kid grows up in a dysfunctional home without two loving parents. I have to say gay parents do a much better job of raising their kids. I suggest heterosexual parents take note.

 
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