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Why Do Leftists Hate FACTS?

I have always been amazed by Leftist's absolute and almost psychopathic hatred of truth. Those who love America outside America (and who love it more than many Americans) are always shocked by it. My father would relate stories of this from his time growing up in Communist Czechoslovakia but found it hard to believe people could be so delusional.

Now I know better.

So...today there was NO COLLUSION between Pres.Trump and "Russia". In fact the Russian government organized protests against BOTH HRC and Pres. Trump including the largest one in front of Trump Tower. In fact the Russian program started in 2014 TWO YEARS before Trump won the Republican primaries nomination in 2016 (guess the Russians knew Trump was going to win before he even announced...God they are clever!) That is in the indictment...if American Leftists could read English as a FIRST language as well as I do as a SECOND they would know that. Or is the FBI and Mueller also part of the Trump-Russian conspiracy? I am sure that is what you now think...

Meanwhile Putin-loving Pres. Trump has agreed to the request by Ukraine DENIED by HRC when she was your Secretary of State to send anti-tank weapons to put down the pro-Russian rebellion in the east of the country.

But please Leftists, DO NOT LET ACTUAL FACTS OR ANY SENSE OF REALITY DISTURB YOUR FANTASY WORLD! And be comforted - your country's mental hospitals have enough room for you all.

UPDATE. So, all you Communistcrats here, want to tell me what happened to the RUSSIAN COLLUSION committed by President Trump you were all so happy and excited over? I have been proven right and you wrong...AGAIN!

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Jason58 · 61-69, M

Speaking of facts...

An email to Trump attorney Michael Cohen one year before the election: “Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Felix Sater, an associate of Trump wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

The game is over and the noose is tightening as we speak. It’s only a matter of time now. Enjoy.

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Abrienda · 26-30, F

@Jason58 Hahaahah! "Our boy"? "Putin's team"? What is your SOURCE for that stupidity? Certainly YOUR word isn't good enough!

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@Abrienda Google it. You’ll find plenty of sources and scant few denials from either Cohen or Sater (an already convicted felon).

Of course, you can claim that the most damning evidence is fake. A jury, however, won’t be so delusional. And in the end, a jury’s opinion is all that will matter.

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@Jason58 CITE the SOURCE!

Jason58 · 61-69, M

The source is the Trump organization itself. This email was one of thousands that were turned over to the House Intelligence Committee, which in turn leaked some of the emails (including this one) to the press. @Abrienda

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@Jason58 CITE THE SOURCE! If you are really as old as you say you should have been taught how to do that supposing you actually went to a school of any kind. Otherwise you are just a troll and trolls are eliminated here.

AcidBurn

@Jason58 That email was released last August. Do you have anything that says anything actually happened? At the time it was originally released there was no evidence that anyone replied to that email and there was evidence that Sater liked to overstate his russian connections. He probably couldn't have made anything happen if he wanted to.

Jason58 · 61-69, M

I’ve done so repeatedly. I take it from your use of all caps that you understand how damning the email is. Just think of all the communications Mueller has uncovered that hasn’t been made public.

No wonder he’s secured 4 indictments of Americans (all of them associates of Trump) as well as indictments of 13 Russians.

So far.

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@AcidBurn So we have evidence that there was at least a plan to coordinate with Putin to elect Trump.

We also have evidence that there were several meetings with Kremlin spies in the run up to the election.

And of course we know that the Trump organization had knowledge prior to their release that hacked DNC emails would be damaging to the Clinton campaign. The source of that info has since pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.

I don’t know what more you want to show that there was some level of collusion with Russia to influence the election.

And this is all gleaned from public information.

AcidBurn

@Jason58 You're wrong from the first sentence. A plan is more than one guy saying he wants to do something. If I email the DNC and say I want to head up a russian operation, it doesn't mean there's a plan in place.

I also like how you're more worried about someone knowing about hacked emails and not the corruption that's running through the DNC itself. Let's just ignore the content of the emails and focus on the fact that someone found out what they're up to.

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@AcidBurn Someone hacked the DNC. That’s a crime. Someone then told the Trump organization about that crime before it was made public. That connects the Trump organization to whomever is responsible for that crime. US intelligence agencies, none of which have ever been accused of being liberal entities by any definition, stated that the hacks were likely perpetrated by Russian operatives.

You can dance around it all you want but grand juries have agreed with my side of reality against 13 Russians and 4 Americans.

So you can shrug this all off, but don’t act surprised when this is presented in court against Trump, Jr, Kushner, Flynn, etc.

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@AcidBurn I agree though, that the Sater e-mail, in and of itself is not evidence enough to convict. But it’s awfully strong circumstantial evidence and I’m sure investigators have talked to Sater about why he thought Putin should have anything to do with electing Donald Trump president. I imagine that was an interesting conversation. :)

AcidBurn

@Jason58 I'm sure it was. There are people out that in the investigation with all the facts. It gets on my nerves when someone with access to what the media releases thinks they can jump to all these conclusions and think they know some noose is tightening.

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@Jason58 You obviously have no idea how to do what serious people know how to do - reference where you get your "information" so it can be verified. I use caps to get the ATTENTION of someone who doesn't know how to do what a serious person does when making a claim.

Not one person has been "convicted" of anything having to do with Russia and as I see I must explain to you,in your legal system, "charges" and "indictments" are no proof of guilt of anything (SOURCE? Business Insider 2/17/18).

I think you just proved my whole point of my post. Leftists live in a world "I want" not "What IS". And when the two don't match up, they lie. Which is why you refused to do what I just did...show where you got your information. But in the fever-world of the Left why bother over such messy things as FACTS?

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@AcidBurn Trump’s national security advisor, former campaign manager and former foreign policy advisor have all been indicted. His personal attorney is indisputably inches from being indicted after the FBI raid on his offices. Every person on Trump’s campaign has been questioned by the special counsel save Trump himself.

You may think that’s not a noose tightening but again, don’t be surprised when you see more indictments of people closer and closer to Trump himself.

This is how organized crime is prosecuted. At some point, maybe you should stop blaming Mueller and start blaming Trump.

AcidBurn

@Jason58 So they're all automatically guilty and going to jail for being indicted? Where did I blame Mueller for anything? It's amazing how you can pull your facts from thin air.

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@Abrienda Alex Van Der Zwaan has been convicted of lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian intelligence agents.

AcidBurn

@Jason58 https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html

The judge in Manafort's case might throw the whole thing out.

[quote]Ellis repeated his suspicion that Mueller's office was after Trump several times in the hourlong court hearing. He said he'll make a decision at a later date about whether Manafort's case can go forward.[/quote]

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@AcidBurn No, but so far all of them have pleaded guilty except for Manafort. I don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine that a judge will agree to accept their pleas and then sentence them.

And you’re right, it was my mistake to assume you follow the usual trend of Trump apologists of assembling a grand conspiracy of law enforcement agencies and global banking elites out to get Trump. You’re obviously more rational that that and I was wrong to attach that stigma to you.

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@AcidBurn My father who had been a loyal Communist in Czechoslovakia would tell you yes, that is exactly what they do, HE did and the Left does routinely.

Speaking of Russia, Stalin's head policeman Beria when asked by Stalin if he could get a conviction of several political enemies answered "Show me the man, I will find you the crime." This Jason person would have fit right in with that thinking.

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@AcidBurn Yup. We’ll see. If I remember correct, Manafort is facing charges in multiple areas so these aren’t the only charges against him. Could be wrong though.

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@Abrienda yeah Stalin abused the judiciary and orchestrated a lot of prosecutions. Who exactly do you think is orchestrating this prosecution? *getting out my bag of popcorn*

questionWeaver

@Jason58

Grow up ... the election is over ... you lost ... you lost big

As you continue to make believe it will all be reversed ... the world is becoming safer, our economy booms, people are getting jobs, and trade imbalance corrects.

America is becoming great again!

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@Jason58 My God you are childish...that popcorn might as well be the contents of your brain for all the good it does you.

I would ask you to find ONE PIECE of evidence Trump (who has killed more Russians than any US President in history!) is an agent of Putin but then I would ask you to source it and we know by now you don't know how to do that since they don't teach it in American kindergarten.

In fact your whole effect is childish and immature. Questionweaver is right...grow up. You're boring.

PS~
Only someone who doesn't actually know who Stalin was would say he "abused the judiciary" but maybe you will learn about him when you reach 10th grade so be patient.

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@Abrienda Answer the question. Who is orchestrating the prosecution of Donald Trump? You seem to think that there is a Stalinesque figure at play, someone who manipulates the media, who interferes in the judicial process, who asks that the electorate trust him and only him.

Even someone of your rather naive and simplistic view of the world recognizes who that is. With any luck, he’ll be prosecuted and convicted with a judicial branch that, for now, still functions above politics.

Jason58 · 61-69, M

@questionWeaver My Party did lose but it did not lose “big.” It lost by a narrow margin. As a lesson, why don’t you do some research and see how many presidents were elected with a greater electoral victory than Donald Trump. If you’re clever (a very big if), you’ll find that it’s a great many presidents. Trump won. But Trump won by a slim margin and he won with the help of a hostile foreign government. That’s the very definition of treason.

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