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TeresaRudolph71 · 51-55, F
@Northwest I would love to see us work toward equality, but how to go about it is the big question.
I don't like Affirmative Action, as I feel that this punishes whites. I just want to see people have equal opportunities (though this wouldn't necessarily guarantee equal outcomes), and see people get hired based solely on skills, qualifications, and merit, without race influencing it one way or another.
Some people seem to think that employers will NEVER be able to be trusted to not let race influence their hiring, firing, and promoting decisions, but I don't think it has to be that hopeless. I'm impatient for the day when this will not only be possible, it will become reality.
I don't like Affirmative Action, as I feel that this punishes whites. I just want to see people have equal opportunities (though this wouldn't necessarily guarantee equal outcomes), and see people get hired based solely on skills, qualifications, and merit, without race influencing it one way or another.
Some people seem to think that employers will NEVER be able to be trusted to not let race influence their hiring, firing, and promoting decisions, but I don't think it has to be that hopeless. I'm impatient for the day when this will not only be possible, it will become reality.
Northwest · M
@TeresaRudolph71 Equal opportunity, does not mean equal outcome. It never does. While we should all have equal rights, we're not all born equal. We're all individuals, with different IQs, skin color, height, weight, eye color, hair color, natural abilities, defects, and so forth and so on.
Affirmative Action, was needed, to initiate a correction, and set things in the right direction. I did not see it as being discriminatory against whites, because whites still had the overwhelming majority of school spots, jobs, etc. While the whites were not responsible for the conditions, hundreds of years ago, that led to the current state of affairs, but in a zero-sum world, they still benefited from it.
Having said that, what was needed for affirmative action to work, was total acceptance, and full integration. This did not happen. It's 2018, and it still has not happened. My neighborhood, does not have a single black family. It's slowly being taken over by oriental and Indian families, but still no black families, and only one half Latino family.
In any case, we still lack a credible solution. While you can't really know what's in people's hearts, what I pick up from those who voted for Trump (for reasons other than abortion), is that they feel minorities have been given enough, but they did not make the best of it, so they are to blame for their situation, and it's time we refocus on what whites America.
This is a simplistic way of looking at it, and masks the real reason why we still have a problem: we still think of it as "us" and "them", as opposed to USa.
Affirmative Action, was needed, to initiate a correction, and set things in the right direction. I did not see it as being discriminatory against whites, because whites still had the overwhelming majority of school spots, jobs, etc. While the whites were not responsible for the conditions, hundreds of years ago, that led to the current state of affairs, but in a zero-sum world, they still benefited from it.
Having said that, what was needed for affirmative action to work, was total acceptance, and full integration. This did not happen. It's 2018, and it still has not happened. My neighborhood, does not have a single black family. It's slowly being taken over by oriental and Indian families, but still no black families, and only one half Latino family.
In any case, we still lack a credible solution. While you can't really know what's in people's hearts, what I pick up from those who voted for Trump (for reasons other than abortion), is that they feel minorities have been given enough, but they did not make the best of it, so they are to blame for their situation, and it's time we refocus on what whites America.
This is a simplistic way of looking at it, and masks the real reason why we still have a problem: we still think of it as "us" and "them", as opposed to USa.