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IFoundLife · 41-45, F
@EvilFairy after either of these outcomes, ‘the settled down’ status, would it be for better or worse?! 🤔
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@IFoundLife does the term 'Arab Spring' resonate here at all?
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@EvilFairy wave of uprisings across the Arabic world expected to lead to greater freedom and democracy but instead resulting in a bit of a mess
IFoundLife · 41-45, F
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@IFoundLife we can only hope I guess
Innocentpigeon · 31-35, M
Literally, none of the Arab nations that participated in this blood filled Spring you speak of have profited long term. Especially Egypt, which was the biggest revolution. Lots of unexpecting/innocent people are out of jobs, there is no decline in downsizing of hospitals and other major entities that help their country produce. That's why their currency is in the shitter as we speak. Let's face it, if this Irany revolution succeeds, they might have to rely heavily on the nukes threats and gun sales just to stabilize their economy!
Northwest · M
@Innocentpigeon The so-called Arab spring, was limited to four Arab countries.
Egypt: this was a somewhat net positive. While the Muslim Brotherhood may have reached power, it was for a long enough period to show the people of Egypt that they're all talk. What Egypt ended up with, is a more polished version of Mubarak, as in relative stability, without the President for life implications, which is better for Egypt long term.
Syria: a cluster fuck, fueled by international intervention. This was not exactly a move for democracy, but rather for Sunni control of Syria. When the dust settles, Syria will become, de facto, multiple nations.
Libya: I don't know if I would call this part of the Arab Spring. This is mostly France primarily, assisted by the US, erroneously thinking they're supporting the people against a brutal dictator. The US did not stick around, and the same for France. Tactically and strategically, both nations made huge mistakes. The brutal dictator was removed, but internal US politics preventing us from finishing the job, and the French do not have the stamina to finish it on their own. What we ended up with, is a mess.
Tunisia: net positive for Tunisians.
Egypt: this was a somewhat net positive. While the Muslim Brotherhood may have reached power, it was for a long enough period to show the people of Egypt that they're all talk. What Egypt ended up with, is a more polished version of Mubarak, as in relative stability, without the President for life implications, which is better for Egypt long term.
Syria: a cluster fuck, fueled by international intervention. This was not exactly a move for democracy, but rather for Sunni control of Syria. When the dust settles, Syria will become, de facto, multiple nations.
Libya: I don't know if I would call this part of the Arab Spring. This is mostly France primarily, assisted by the US, erroneously thinking they're supporting the people against a brutal dictator. The US did not stick around, and the same for France. Tactically and strategically, both nations made huge mistakes. The brutal dictator was removed, but internal US politics preventing us from finishing the job, and the French do not have the stamina to finish it on their own. What we ended up with, is a mess.
Tunisia: net positive for Tunisians.
Innocentpigeon · 31-35, M
Egyptians won't win their economy back, long or short term. You'd know if you followed egyptian local news.
Lol, you forgot about the [i]glorious revolutions[/i] of Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
Lol, you forgot about the [i]glorious revolutions[/i] of Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
Northwest · M
@Innocentpigeon [quote]Egyptians won't win their economy back, long or short term[/quote]
That's one hell of a statement, especially your prediction about the long term.
When Egypt moved from 100% government controlled under Nasser and Sadat, to privatization, under Moubarak, coupled with post Gulf War reduction/elimination of Egypt's crushing foreign debt (the US led coalition's contribution through the IMF to Egypt as a reward), significantly improved Egypt's economy at the Macro level.
The problem is that did not trickle down, because Moubarak's cronies kept it all to themselves. When I opened up our company's subsidiary in the late 80s, I was working with private companies, for the first time in Egypt's history.
When the revolution of 2011 came around, Egypt lost 60% of its foreign reserves, as depositors took their money out. Money stayed out during Mursi's time in office.
Annual GDP growth is 4.9%W for the past year, up from 3.8% for the previous year, with GCC countries increasing their investments. So, it's better than what it was during Moubarak's days.
[quote]You'd know if you followed egyptian local news.[/quote]
Don't make ass umptions. You don't know anything about me, or what news I follow.
[quote]Lol, you forgot about the glorious revolutions of Turkey and Saudi Arabia.[/quote]
Perhaps you should follow the local news? Turkey is not an Arab country, and it can't be included in the Arab Spring, and Saudi Arabia's experiment with Mohamad Bin Salman is nothing more than a re-alignment with the US, now that Obama is no longer President, and Trump is all about neocon politics.
That's one hell of a statement, especially your prediction about the long term.
When Egypt moved from 100% government controlled under Nasser and Sadat, to privatization, under Moubarak, coupled with post Gulf War reduction/elimination of Egypt's crushing foreign debt (the US led coalition's contribution through the IMF to Egypt as a reward), significantly improved Egypt's economy at the Macro level.
The problem is that did not trickle down, because Moubarak's cronies kept it all to themselves. When I opened up our company's subsidiary in the late 80s, I was working with private companies, for the first time in Egypt's history.
When the revolution of 2011 came around, Egypt lost 60% of its foreign reserves, as depositors took their money out. Money stayed out during Mursi's time in office.
Annual GDP growth is 4.9%W for the past year, up from 3.8% for the previous year, with GCC countries increasing their investments. So, it's better than what it was during Moubarak's days.
[quote]You'd know if you followed egyptian local news.[/quote]
Don't make ass umptions. You don't know anything about me, or what news I follow.
[quote]Lol, you forgot about the glorious revolutions of Turkey and Saudi Arabia.[/quote]
Perhaps you should follow the local news? Turkey is not an Arab country, and it can't be included in the Arab Spring, and Saudi Arabia's experiment with Mohamad Bin Salman is nothing more than a re-alignment with the US, now that Obama is no longer President, and Trump is all about neocon politics.
Innocentpigeon · 31-35, M
@Northwest
I guess we'll just have to wait, study the next couple of years and see who's right about Egypt's economy!
I'm sorry if I offended you for "ass"uming (nice double entendre there!)😄, I guess talking with too many uneducated westerners got to me.
What's your field of business, if you don't mind me asking?
I guess we'll just have to wait, study the next couple of years and see who's right about Egypt's economy!
I'm sorry if I offended you for "ass"uming (nice double entendre there!)😄, I guess talking with too many uneducated westerners got to me.
What's your field of business, if you don't mind me asking?
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@Innocentpigeon idiocy!
Innocentpigeon · 31-35, M
What the fuck are you talking about fairy?
Northwest · M
@Innocentpigeon [quote]I guess we'll just have to wait, study the next couple of years and see who's right about Egypt's economy!
I'm sorry if I offended you for "ass"uming (nice double entendre there!), I guess talking with too many uneducated westerners got to me.
What's your field of business, if you don't mind me asking?[/quote]
You said long term. Couple of years is short not long term. Under Sissi, GDP growth, went first to 3.8, then 4.9, comparatively speaking, the US, France and Germany, were below 2% for the same years.
In any case, like I said, the key is if it actually trickles down, and there may be reason to believe that it might. The negative implication, is that the regime is military. If someone like Bassem Youssef, felt safe enough to poke fun at the Muslim Brotherhood and Mursi, but had to get the hell out of town, after he poked fun at Sissi, that's telling.
I hope you realize you're generalizing about westerners, as much as some westerners generalize about Arabs. Westerners are no different from Arabs, as in the average person does not feel the need to learn about all the things that do not affect their lives. How many Egyptians can tell you everything you need to know about Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Vermont, and Val d'Isere? After all, the uneducated Westerners put people on the moon, and came up with the Internet.
I have been retired since the turn of the century :-)
I'm sorry if I offended you for "ass"uming (nice double entendre there!), I guess talking with too many uneducated westerners got to me.
What's your field of business, if you don't mind me asking?[/quote]
You said long term. Couple of years is short not long term. Under Sissi, GDP growth, went first to 3.8, then 4.9, comparatively speaking, the US, France and Germany, were below 2% for the same years.
In any case, like I said, the key is if it actually trickles down, and there may be reason to believe that it might. The negative implication, is that the regime is military. If someone like Bassem Youssef, felt safe enough to poke fun at the Muslim Brotherhood and Mursi, but had to get the hell out of town, after he poked fun at Sissi, that's telling.
I hope you realize you're generalizing about westerners, as much as some westerners generalize about Arabs. Westerners are no different from Arabs, as in the average person does not feel the need to learn about all the things that do not affect their lives. How many Egyptians can tell you everything you need to know about Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Vermont, and Val d'Isere? After all, the uneducated Westerners put people on the moon, and came up with the Internet.
I have been retired since the turn of the century :-)
Innocentpigeon · 31-35, M
@SW-User Fucking answer my question dumbass.
@Northwest I don't care about you anymore. Be a better person, stop talking to me.
@Northwest I don't care about you anymore. Be a better person, stop talking to me.
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@Innocentpigeon I answered your question. Northwest's business is idiocy. Don't say I didn't warn you - but you seem to have figured out the world of pain troll deal on your own
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@Innocentpigeon I answered your question. Northwest's business is idiocy. Don't say I didn't warm you - but you seem to have figured out the world of pain troll deal on your own
Innocentpigeon · 31-35, M
1 usd = 17 egp
people are getting jailed for speaking.
people are getting payed to vote for your buddy sissy(lol).
their election is a joke, the only opposing candidate is a pussy that literally said he will resign and chose sissi for his replacement.
civilians are completely pissed that they're getting fucked in the ass daily.
still think you're right?
people are getting jailed for speaking.
people are getting payed to vote for your buddy sissy(lol).
their election is a joke, the only opposing candidate is a pussy that literally said he will resign and chose sissi for his replacement.
civilians are completely pissed that they're getting fucked in the ass daily.
still think you're right?