Nazism. Aside from racism etc, any positives as an ideology?

@MistyCee That's Populism, not necessarily Nazism.

@quietlitany True, Nazisim was popularism, but given the heavy embrace of xenophobia and even salutes during the campaign, I gotta think the Nazi branch had a big influence.

@quietlitany Populism has no underlying structure or political beliefs.
All it means is it is the will of the population. Marxism, Nazism, democracy, etc. Any of them and anything can be a populist movement.

@MistyCee Nazism used populist ideals to motivate the people and create/rekindle the German identity. It usually gets leaders of it assassinated as in the case of Rome.

@MethDozer I didn't suggest it did. I'm merely pointing out that the correlation between Nazisim and MAGA is populism.

@quietlitany Fair enough. Though even in this reply box you mention "populist ideals". There is no such thing really.

@MethDozer Sure there is. Anything appealing to the people is a populist ideal. Playing to those interests is populism.

@quietlitany Right, therefore it has non of it's own ideals or concepts.
It can be Marxist, Democratic Socialist, totalitarian, democratic, etc.
It has no structure or ideals of it's own.

@MethDozer

pop·u·lism
ˈpäpyəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: populism

support for the concerns of ordinary people.

the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people.

i·de·al
īˈdē(ə)l/
noun
noun: ideal; plural noun: ideals

1.
a person or thing regarded as perfect.


I never said it did. Why do you keep repeating that? There can be populist ideals as it's the thing the people think is perfect for their needs, like new jobs or something.

I didn't say doctrine or some such that you keep trying to paint me with.

@quietlitany You said it. Damn you forget your own words a lot. You said " populist ideals". Populism has no ideals or structure of it's own. it's not that hard to comprehend.

@MethDozer I didn't say it was an ideology. You threw that at me first. Then I mentioned 'populist ideals' to which you're confusing with doctrine or 'canonical ideals'. I defined both and explained what a populist ideal is.

@MethDozer This is your problem here:

doc·trine
ˈdäktrən/
noun
noun: doctrine; plural noun: doctrines

a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group.

@quietlitany That says nothing about what we are talking about.
There is no doctrine to populism, that's my point and what all your definitions prove.

@MethDozer [quote]Populism has no underlying structure or political beliefs.[/quote]

In your many attempts to strawman me, you are tripping over your own bullshit. I described populism, you confused what I said either by ignorance or intent, accusing me of thinking it had doctrine. I explained myself and I'm pretty much done talking to you here, since you insist on being an ass.

@quietlitany Do you even know what strawman means? there is no strawman on my part. I used only your incorrect statements about populism having an ideology or set of ideals. In otherwords, a doctrine. It has none of those. It's not a system unto itself.

@MethDozer I'm no longer interested in talking to you. Your pompous, arrogant, uncharitable, and yes, you're very prone to using strawmen, as seen in your very first post here. Adios.

@quietlitany Show a strawman before you walk off.

@MethDozer You claimed I said globalism is a political ideology and that there is no such thing as a populist ideal. I corrected you with definitions and an example. You claimed my definitions had no meaning and continued asserting I think globalism is a political ideology as well as insulting me.

That is a textbook example of a strawman, you disingenuous ass.

@quietlitany I never once commented on globalism. in fact that's a strawman since this is the first time it's even come up in our discourse.
Your definitions actually demonstrated my point. Populism has no ideals of it's own. It's the whims of the population. Period.

Let's look up starwman shall we?[image=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man]

Nope, i only refuted what you specifically said, no strawman arguments.

@MethDozer Yes you did, it was your initial comment. You reinforced it with your comments in your second reply regarding the ideals bit. The definitions HAVE to be ruled out, because they make you look like a dumbass.

Populism has no ideology; there are populist ideals and they will vary with the target population and time period. You have to keep using "doctrine" implications to support your bullshittery.

@quietlitany Are listening to yourself? Populism has no ideology, there are populist ideals. You just negated yourself.
If populism has no ideology then populism has no ideals.
Now where does this bullshit about globalism come from all of a sudden?

The people might have a set of ideals they enact in a populist movement but that doesn't mean there are such things as populist ideals.

@MethDozer You have a real problem with definitions, don't you? Whats the difference between an ideal and an ideology?

The globalism was a typo, I corrected it.

@quietlitany No, you do. You can't even comprehend the vary ones you posted. An ideology is a set of ideals and concepts. Without ideals, there is no ideology. With an ideology there is a set of ideals.

@MethDozer Then let's revisit the definitions and I fucking dare you to dismiss them again.

pop·u·lism
ˈpäpyəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: populism

support for the concerns of ordinary people.

i·de·al
īˈdē(ə)l/
noun
noun: ideal; plural noun: ideals

1.
a person or thing regarded as perfect.


What's an ideal for an ordinary person? A good job? Security? Healthcare benefits? These certainly can be ideals to the commonfolk. Someone who offers to get good jobs for them, strong security, and good healthcare would be an ideal candidate for them, because they are promoting the ideals of the commong folks. Not ideology - ideals - things regarded as perfect or what is most suitable.

NO IDEALISM. AN IDEAL, YOU TWAT. A THING THAT IS PERFECT OR MOST SUITABLE.

Populism is supporting the concerns of ordinary people. A populist ideal is a thing regarded most suitable by the people - and supporting it. Making it the FUCKING platform.

NOT A SET OF BELIEFS. NOT IDEALISM AGAIN, JUST IN CASE YOU CONTINUE TO STRAW MAN.

There is populist ideals - they vary with the population, time, situation, etc. They're not a set of ideals in the idealism sense. They're things people want and consider BEST for them as a group.

@quietlitany Thank you for posting the defintions that prove my point and work against you and showing a continued ignorance of what a strawman is.

You perfectly demonstrated WHY populism has NO ideals.

@MethDozer You don't have a point. You accuse me of saying populism has ideology. Which I never said.

There are populist ideals and I gave examples. You just say NO and provide nothing of substance, per your usual.

Tell me, is English your first language and are you aware that some words have different meanings?