What is a point of your political orientation you don't agree with at all?

@Emosaur Do you want to know why it's considered a sin? Or do you want to discuss why you think Islam wants gays dead?

@Emosaur What is the problem you have with it? :L
As with all scriptures, it is believed to be brought by God.
I personally believe people can do as they please and should be left alone, but I want to help you with whatever religious knowledge I can because I took a lot of religious studies classes :p

@Emosaur Islam is not an ideology and it does not support the killing of anything ,_,
Two common fallacies that are not true. I can explain HOW it may SEEM like so. (This is the reason I went to go study what these religions were up to and I am surprised)

The religion itself rejects violence or transgressions of even simple insults to another being. (Let alone actually physically harming somebody)
The religion is a way to behave. Some people CLAIM they are following it and do as they please and kill gays, kill people who don't believe in the religion, etc.
That criticism is the reason I studied these religions because I asked myself "is it possible that something that's been around for over 1500 years can be violent and have billions of followers?" I really learned a lot and highly encourage you take some classes on the foundation of Islam and WHAT the teachings actually TEACH vs how people who claim to follow Islam act :p
It's quite the same thing with Christianity. You're painting people with the wrong brush (not even a broad brush)

@Emosaur Are you a man of proofs or claims? There is no single place in the scriptures that it says to kill gays, disobedient women, and non-believers (for no reason. There are parts of the religion that were establishing rules during a war that was going on at the time. YES, Islam teaches self defense and tells those that follow the religion to defend the land they were kicked off of and such :p Just warning you if you want to bring parts about the war that happened). If you deny it, prove it and find me where it says gays should be killed in religion. I am not saying it isn't a religion :p
It IS a religion. Part of what comes with it is a way of life, bro. The mistake is: People don't even interpret it at all. It's been proven that most of the people who commit violent acts don't even get the foundation of the religion (since we're choosing to focus on Islam at this point)

Here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-islamic-state-foreign-fighters-syria-recruits-lack-basic-understanding-of-islam-radicalisation-a7877706.html

I am willing to accept valid statistics. They just have to be CORRECT is all I'm saying .-. I myself, no matter how much I want, don't want to claim anything false just because I want to believe it is.

[b]"And now just tell me, how come that the great majority of the past terrorist attacks were committed by Muslims if their religion was so against violence as you say?"[/b] Response: I don't believe most terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims. (Please fact check that claim) Even if they are, I don't know why people choose to do that. I can only explain to you what the RELIGION TEACHES if you want to discuss that. I think two factors you're trying to relate are religion and choice. Although religion DOES guide choice, it does nothing more than express (supposedly from a higher being) what right and wrong are classified to be. How people interpret, or how people CHOOSE to follow, or IGNORE what is in the religion is up to them. For example: Islam forbids the usage of alcohol. Why are there alcoholics that are Muslim? (I really want you to answer this)

[b]"How come they think the killing of certain kinds of people is sometimes justified if their holy book supposedly doesn't teach anything about it (which it does...)?"[/b] Response: Before I respond to this, I need a clarification of who the "they" are. Since I really want to help give you what you are looking for in terms of the religion, I will tell you that the religion does not teach to kill anybody except in self-defense if your life is in danger. It does not talk about killing ANYBODY just because of something they believe in. IF this "they" do believe killing is okay, then this is a prime example of deviation and a disproof for the supposed correlation between religion and actions.

[b]And how come that even here women often wear a niqab or even a burka if their religion doesn't say they are worth less than men and should always do what they say (which again, it does say that)?[/b] They wear it because the religion teaches that it is better for women to wear that. That's like asking why nuns wear the same thing, but do you ever think of giving Christians questions like this over THAT? Only those that CHOOSE to follow the religion wear that. The religion also DOES NOT in any way say that women are less than men. And where did you get that women have to listen to what men say? That's not a fact either :/
Islam states that all men and woman are equals. Men cannot abuse women or even simply THINK that they're worth more or are better than women.

[b]Their books make it pretty clear that he was a warlord and a pedophile who killed everyone who didn't believe and follow him and married a 6 year old girl. [/b] This is quite an extravagant falsehood :/ I didn't think you were gullible enough to believe this. It becomes clear to me that you really aren't aware of who Prophet Muhammad was. If you want, I can give you a verse from the Qur'an that clearly states that there is no compulsion whatsoever in the religion :p
There was no "spread by the sword" and the widely adopted "killing those that disbelieved." He did not marry a 6 year old at all, either XD
I can tell you how old that same woman was when he married her, too! Bro, do you just spit what you hear without validating it? This is a key part of argument. You can't try to convince me on lies. If you want me to list all the lies you've directly stated so far or insinuated, here is a list you can go and try to prove:

- The prophet of Islam married a 6 year old and/or was a pedophile
- The prophet of Islam was a warlord that killed people who did not listen to him
- Islam teaches to kill (let's even say "value these humans less" to make it easier :/) non-believers, disobedient women and gays
- Islam is an ideology and not a religion
- The killing of people senselessly is justified
- Muslims "are not taught by anyone to 'interpret it their own way'"
- Women are worth less than men
- Women have to listen to men
- That the last 4 items before this current one represent Islam
- Islamists follow the scripture and religion of Islam


If you want my interpretation of the scripture that I spent 3 months reading and writing on: The main purpose of the scripture is to teach all beings that there is just one creator of the existence we know as our own and the world and beyond. To tell people what right is and what wrong is, and how to solve problems of a community.

I answered everything you wanted to know as objectively as possible, to the best of my ability. I want you to know I hold no hard feelings, but just care about you and want to at least help make it clear that some of the information about the religion you stated are just inaccurate :p
Nothing personal, bro

@Emosaur Just find me anything that talks about killing gays in the Qur'an and I'll believe you :p
I really can't find anywhere the scriptures say that. Honestly.

Okay, now that I know you don't wish to talk about the scripture, we can focus on the mentality of a given people instead. I'll change my focus.
Just remember that choices are separate from religious behavior.

I agree with you that it's wrong to claim you belong to a religious group and then completely avoid relations with it. XD That makes sense what you're saying. I don't even understand why :p

I understand that it's easier to generalize. I get where you're coming from, and I'll start using pewresearch and check some things out. Thanks for the source.

Well, I'll tell you this >_>
That quote is AWFULLY CLOSE to what is written in the Qur'an, but it's missing some things that are very very essentially corrupted in that quote. The source my class used for this kind of stuff was Sahih International's website: quran.com. The scholars of religion collected their conclusions here. Here is the same place you have there and I do believe you can see a difference: https://quran.com/4/34
You can clearly see that. To be particularly accurate, this verse is talking about wives that commit adultery. The scripture is telling them that they need to not cheat, and if they DO cheat, the husband should advise/warn (whichever word you like more) them, then forsake them in bad, then "strike them." (Strike in this case was also described to be like hitting/tapping on the shoulder to tell them you aren't talking to them because they're cheating on you). According to arabic, the root for this variation of strike is "daraba" which is not beating at all. [An inaccuracy]. It is used with many variations, ranging from a tap, full hit, or even to give an example and more. It's a versatile word, but in this case, the historical context that it was explained with was like a tapping your spouse to avoid talking to them if they won't stop cheating. I'll find which hadith it was from. [b]“'Daraba (darb) to beat, strike, … to play … (to play musical instrument)l to make music; to type ( on a type writer); to sting (scorpion); to separate, part (… people); to impose (… on s.o. s.th.). to turn away from, leave, forsake, abandon, avoid, or shun s.o. or s.th.; – (darb, … daraban) to pulsate. … to move, stir, to rove, roam about, travel. …' (M…” (Hans Wehr A Dictionary of Modern written Arabic [Edited by John Milton – Spoken Language Services, Inc. 1976, 4th edition], page 629) In this case it is understood for the passage (Q 4:34) to mean ‘beat’ lightly (non-violent). This final step the husband was allowed to take, was in the case of clear adultery or something equal to that."[/b]
Where did you get that quote from, anyways? :/
It seems misleading

[b]"A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: “Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine.”" [/b]
That can't be true :/
She was around 14-15 when nikah (the beginning of the marriage process) began and was 19 around consummation. I don't want to make you read a really really big essay on it, but I will capture for you what you want. That hadith you presented looks like a doubtful one :/
Here is a part of the hadith analysis on Aisha's age during marriage and consummation.
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I don't know who has beef with Islam, either :/
I'm as confused as you are as to why anybody would do that, but it still happens up to date that people try to defame a religion. I spent 2.5 years of my life taking religious studies classes just to see if all of this was true, and it's heartbreaking to see that people today just don't want to validate, but just buy what fits with what they think XD
I don't deal with Islamists, and they seem to be a funky group if you ask me >_>
I want none of them. I wouldn't mind writing an article on the truth behind a lot of these lies, though.

Sorry if I missed the sarcasm XD
I honestly was taking every statement you made to be serious :p
(Just be clear, because I really spent such a long time in my life to know if what is being spread is true or not, and nobody else did -_-)
It isn't an ideology because an ideology is defined (by a simple google search) as: "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy." There is nothing political about religions :p

Now I gave you sources that were very authentic. Do you have anything you want more clarification on? XD
If you want to steer away from the religious teachings and to the mentality of Muslims, we can do that. [Although I won't be of much help after that]

@Emosaur It IS homosexuality :/
And homosexuality is explicitly considered a sin in both ORIGINAL/UNALTERED Christianity and Islam

I get your overall point :O
I know what you mean, and you're not wrong.

I'll skip the book then. Islam is highly against misogyny and mistreatment of women, kids, and poor. (According to the book)

It completely is not your fault. I went through the same exact thing and decided to double major in religious studies JUST to actually be able to pass the lies..... ,_,
I feel like I learned a lot. I actually read an article that a Jewish man wrote on why lies are spread on religions. It's actually a normal thing to spread lies about what you want to cover up (like you mentioned before). Lies are spread on the daily about EVERYTHING XD
People even lie about NASA! [I'm referring to the 15 days of darkness shenanigans]
What makes the lies on Islam, Christianity, homosexuality, blacks, liberalism, etc. so POPULAR is because a vast population of the people in the U.S. (I'm not including any other country for this) actually WANT TO BELIEVE in it. They generally actually KNOW it's false, but the lies fit what a large number of people WANT to believe and is spread [from originally a few people that want to just voice the hatred] to the extent that people will openly argue for it, even if it is false. A side effect is that it actually can be taken to BE a fact once it is widely adopted :p

I 100% have no hard feelings over anything you expressed to me and really appreciate your point of view on the matter and thank you for showing me pewresearch. I like that site now and have been using it for the past few days just looking for things XD