I think men should be free of the responsibility for a child they don't want.

after that you take responsibility for your actions. it's like shooting someone and then getting off by saying i didn't realize he would actually die if i shot him in the heart. so it's all good k?

because he of his own free will knowing the possible risks and repercussions helped to create a child. this is not a paper that you take your name off of, it's a human being. you seem to forget that behind this all is a living breathing human being that didn't ask to be born but was procreated by two people who made the choice to have sex. it was a choice and all choices have consequences, this just happens to be a big one.

she didn't decide for him, he chose to take the risk when he pulled down his pants and had sex with her.

because we are not talking about a house bought together or a car or an investment portfolio. we are talking about human life here. you seem to casually want to avoid that fact but it is a huge part of the deal. and the man knows when he unzips his pants that it becomes a choice he has no say in. it's a woman's body. if he was the one to get preggers then it would be his choice.

Sometimes the outcomes of your choices are dictated by someone other than yourself. if you chose to help out in a simple robbery and your partner pulls out a gun and murders someone, your life is fucked. you knew going in that you might lose control of the situation but you chose to do it. so you can't moan about jail time because you wilfully made the decision in the beginning of a chain of events. you were hoping things would be ok but you can't control what happens.

despite your claim that i haven't actually made a counter-argument to your position, i have quite clearly made that counter argument you just don't want to accept it.

if you chose to have sex you are taking a risk. there are consequences to that risk and one of them is that the woman gets to decide because there are human lives involved. sometimes things just are the way they are. you are young and really have not had a lot of life experiences. i had a child from casual sex, and i have seen enough of life to know that many things make the phrase "it is what it is" very true.

you keep leaving out the humanity celine. it is the woman who carries the child for 9 months or goes through the emotional and possible physical scarring of having an abortion. not the man. he always has thr right to go to court and say he doesn't want the child and sign away his rights but he gets no say in what a woman does with her body because it does not involve him in any way. it is her body and it is a human life.

there are many things in life that are but should not be. that's called life. if you play you pay. and this is my last post on this because you don't want to be realistic about it.