Those now talking about climate change all the time are the same ones saying it is opportunistic to criticise Islam when there is a terror attack
Hypocrites.
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CopperCicada · M
@whoowho ut oh. a quantitative fact. let's see how this goes. 😂
CopperCicada · M
@Cierzo one reason i don't consume any mainstream media is because such media completely de-calibrates one's sense of risk.
that statistic that @whoowho shared is not an evaluation of what islam is or is not. it's a statement of risk.
mainstream media has our senses of risk completely inverted. i know people who feel that their most likely cause of death is terrorism by jihadis, white supremacists or antifa.
actually it's dropping dead of a heart attack, cancer, or a car accident.
i suspect i would have a different evaluation in malmo or paris. but here, it's nonsense.
that statistic that @whoowho shared is not an evaluation of what islam is or is not. it's a statement of risk.
mainstream media has our senses of risk completely inverted. i know people who feel that their most likely cause of death is terrorism by jihadis, white supremacists or antifa.
actually it's dropping dead of a heart attack, cancer, or a car accident.
i suspect i would have a different evaluation in malmo or paris. but here, it's nonsense.
Cierzo · M
@CopperCicada The aim of the post was not to debate whether terrorism or natural catastrophes are more harmful. It is comparing apples and oranges.
It was to denounce the double standards of bashing those who dare to doubt climate change as the main reason for natural catastrophes, and at the same time see a very complex situation when it comes to terrorism.
It was to denounce the double standards of bashing those who dare to doubt climate change as the main reason for natural catastrophes, and at the same time see a very complex situation when it comes to terrorism.
CopperCicada · M
@Cierzo quite honestly, i think most of the drama in our present time would be GONE IN AN INSTANT if people did just that. go to primary sources.
Cierzo · M
@CopperCicada Many people cannot do it. What are the primary sources anyway? Labs and colleges for climate change, and intelligence agencies for terrorism? Only those working there can access primary sources
But how can we be sure that the information they give to MSM is the truth? And this is the only information 99% of the population has access too.
But how can we be sure that the information they give to MSM is the truth? And this is the only information 99% of the population has access too.
CopperCicada · M
@Cierzo as somebody trained as a scientist, the LAST THING i will do is to tell you to believe science on blind faith. i won't do it. if you were in my classroom i would be the same way. that is intellectual dishonesty. one knows science not through bill nye but by personal exploration.
i don't know a single scientist who is not open to public inquiry. in my own profession life, i have have had people walk in off the street to ask what is going on in my lab. so, like what is that thing? my department has whole events to solicit that. i have had people bring their own puzzles and problems to me. so this green shit is in my pipes, what is it? is it poisonous? i have had scientists, students, and regular citizens inquire about my research. you showed this data in graph #2 but what did you use as a control? you didn't mention a control! and i have had amateur scientists bring their own theories to me. my colleagues are all the same.
when it comes to my own scientific inquiries i have done the same. i've done it with global warming. i'm doing it now with this hurricane irma. i do that when i got to historical sites. zoos. museum. my attitude is: you're working for me, so let's go through this list of questions...
in the end, one is convinced or one isn't. also science isn't a binary thing. fuzzy logic. one might be 60% convinced.
from what i can tell, > 90% of people with an opinion either for or against any scientific subject in the public sphere have never done this due diligence at any level.
as for islam. i talk to muslims. i work with them and went to school with them. i talk to them on line. i talk to the people who hate them. i talk to the people harmed by them. i have been very close to israelis who have been very intimately harmed by them. i talk to us servicemen who have served in the mideast.
this is largely what i do here. i don't give a shit about people who agree with me. i'm here to learn from everyone else.
i've learned alot from climate deniers an people who are critical of islam. in the case of islam one narrative i'm new to is the experience of europeans dealing with huge immigrant populations.
i don't know a single scientist who is not open to public inquiry. in my own profession life, i have have had people walk in off the street to ask what is going on in my lab. so, like what is that thing? my department has whole events to solicit that. i have had people bring their own puzzles and problems to me. so this green shit is in my pipes, what is it? is it poisonous? i have had scientists, students, and regular citizens inquire about my research. you showed this data in graph #2 but what did you use as a control? you didn't mention a control! and i have had amateur scientists bring their own theories to me. my colleagues are all the same.
when it comes to my own scientific inquiries i have done the same. i've done it with global warming. i'm doing it now with this hurricane irma. i do that when i got to historical sites. zoos. museum. my attitude is: you're working for me, so let's go through this list of questions...
in the end, one is convinced or one isn't. also science isn't a binary thing. fuzzy logic. one might be 60% convinced.
from what i can tell, > 90% of people with an opinion either for or against any scientific subject in the public sphere have never done this due diligence at any level.
as for islam. i talk to muslims. i work with them and went to school with them. i talk to them on line. i talk to the people who hate them. i talk to the people harmed by them. i have been very close to israelis who have been very intimately harmed by them. i talk to us servicemen who have served in the mideast.
this is largely what i do here. i don't give a shit about people who agree with me. i'm here to learn from everyone else.
i've learned alot from climate deniers an people who are critical of islam. in the case of islam one narrative i'm new to is the experience of europeans dealing with huge immigrant populations.