Is Brexit a deadman walking?

hi Cierzo
No of course not. The referendum is a sacred cow. All hail the cow!
Best wishes
:)

@sogdianrock What you cannot do is give cows the 'sacred' status and remove it when you are hungry.

hi Cierzo
haha that is politics.
A general election trumps a referendum also. Trigger an election on the cards.
Best wishes
:)

@Cierzo The referendum voted for Brexit and that has to be honoured but what kind of Brexit was never made clear because the leave campaign never even had a plan. The ballot paper simply said to leave the EU or to stay.

The leave campaign also promised £350 million more to the NHS and said that Britain would be able to opt out of freedom of movement and still have access to the single market. It is now inarguable that these things are impossible to achieve, so on that basis alone; there is [b]no[/b] mandate for hard Brexit.

An honest vote based on what the Tory right actually wanted would be:

1) Hard-Brexit and cutting freedom of movement, opting out of the single market and appropriate regulations. More 'free trade' deals with America which grant US companies access to British markets due to deregulation. A major recession and further cuts in services as Britain is remodelled into an Ayn Rand inspired island fortress based on the financial services industry.
2) Stay in the EU.

This is the actual reality and good luck getting the public to vote for that.

I reiterate that I do not like the EU and see it as neoliberal but...

@Burnley123 I don't like the EU, for being neoliberal and progressive, but I cannot but agree with their attitude now.

A and B are married. A wants to divorce. B is taken by surprise, and tries to persuade A to stay, to no avail. B accepts the situation, but when lawyer meet, B wants to suck A's blood as a revenge for A's shiny smile as he left home while she was in tears.

@Cierzo The divorce analogy works but only as someone who demands a divorce with a person expecting to keep the house, the car and all the money when the other party has five times the income.

@Burnley123 If that person demands a divorce boasting he is the richest and has the power, the other party will try to squeeze him. It is a matter of pride.

@Cierzo It is a matter of pride. My point is that the Brexit which was sold was always unrealistic. As the gap between fantasy and reality narrows all hell will break loose.

@Burnley123 Don't overestimate the EU anyway. After all, it has 27 voices, although some are louder than others.

@Cierzo This has some similarities to what happened to Syriza during the greek debt crisis. The EU may be in long term decline but its institutions are still very powerful. Their vulnerability also makes them ruthless. The last thing they want of for Le Pen to say that Brexit is a success.

@Burnley123 Being ruthless is a sign of weakness and decline. If the EU is ruthless with the UK, the UK will lose in the short term but win in the long term.

@Cierzo Maybe so. The point is though that the EU has a lot more power than a middle sized country and they are prepared to lose a little as long as we lose more. This was the wrong time and the wrong circumstances to leave. It was on the verge of collapse, then yes. While it retains strength it is a bad moce.

@Burnley123 UK's practical mistake was doing it alone. Stirring a movement calling for referendums in other countries would have been smarter. Uk's move was bold and quixotic. It is clear that UK needs allies now. But in the end history remembers and acknowledges the Don Quixotes, not the Sanchos

@Cierzo Eddie the Eagle is Britain's most famous ever skier. He finished last and became a hero. 😂