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Sweden sends less than 1% of trash to landfills. The rest goes to making fuel, and energy, and reused, not resycled.

Are you thinking about the environment? Do you realize plastic is killing animals? Are you minimizing what you throw in the trash, instead reusing everything? Are you redusing and recycling??
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
I am sorry, but you cannot make sweeping statements like "plastic is killing animals".

That suggests lacking understanding one of the most ubiquitous class of materials used for all manner of purposes from genuinely serious to wastefully trivial.

And no, I have no connection with the petro-chemical, plastics or boat-building industries.

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It's only a few, certain plastic [i]types[/i] and [i]forms[/i] out of a very large range manufactured with all sort of different properties for different classes of use, that are "killing animals".

The prime villains are polythene bags eaten by some animals (e.g. turtles in the sea, mistaking them for jellyfish), "micro-beads" used as fillers and mild abrasives in toiletries, and plastic [i]shapes[/i] that can entrap animals (e.g. can-binding rings, lost/discarded fishing equipment).

None are toxic, but kill by internal obstruction or trapping. Micro-beads are small enough to be swallowed by, but big enough to obstruct the alimentary canals of, the tiny ostracods and similar plankton-eating sea-animals whose swarms are food for larger fish.

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Some plastics are salvageable, but by no means all; and those that are, degrade over only a few cycles. Some become re-useable only as fuels, if burnt in specially-constructed furnaces to minimise pollution and use the heat properly.

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Some, mainly the thermo-setting plastic, cannot be salvaged or effectively burnt. Perhaps the largest by volume is fibre-glass and now too, carbon-fibre composites. Both are of fibrous material encapsulated in synthetic-resin.

Fibre-glass is extensive in architectural, vehicle and marine uses. For example think not only of serious uses in commercial and naval vessels, but also all those boats from humble dinghies to pretentious "gin palaces" in huge marinas, with many barely used from one year's end to the next. It is common in sports equipment and industrial safety-helmets. It is the normal material for the printed-circuit boards in electronic equipment, no doubt including whatever you are reading this on.

Outdoors, it breaks down very, very slowly, over decades, into tiny shards of resin and glass fibres. Buried or on the sea-bed it probably lasts indefinitely, and though I DO NOT advocate such dumping, at least sunken vessels are soon colonised by plants and animals. The resin is flammable unless containing a combustion-inhibitor; but unless burnt at a temperature that fuses the glass, the ash is a very unpleasant mass of tiny glass needles.

Carbon-fibre is much less dense than glass-fibre, so becoming a major material for vehicle and aircraft parts, sports equipment and yes - wind-turbine blades. It may be too new to know its long-term degradation.

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It's worth considering two things barely mentioned, if we want to play our part in "saving the planet" (though if we want to discuss a very serious technical topic seriously, we don't use baby-talk). These are:-

- Our lives are permeated throughout by plastics of all sorts but [i]even before [/i]we see the plastic bag, medical instrument, toy or mere gee-gaw,

- By the products of principally five, natural minerals: coal, petroleum, and the ores of iron, copper and aluminium. (Plus many others of course.)

We could be said to be still living in the Iron Age because without iron and steel, we cannot make or move anything else in any practical sense. We would have no electricity, clean water, decent homes, sanitation etc. either. We cannot escape these, nor that [i]all[/i] the pat "solutions" offered by the more strident, less-analytical "climate protestors" still rely heavily on at least some of those five minerals.

Basically we are a run-away population wanting more and more of less and less; and despite overall reductions in consumption right left and centre, very profligate. Those, and resulting waste, form some of our biggest headaches; but many of the alternatives offered are not as virtuous as they seem.

We need to solve these very serious problems - but even to play our tiny part as private individuals, we all need to THINK well beyond immediate use and result; and UNDERSTAND at least to a lay level, basic science and engineering principles.

For example, the differences between fuel, energy and power; the fundamental nature of all energy types, by which the whole universe operates; the engineering meaning of "efficiency".

Otherwise it's to Hell in a Handcart (hand-made to last, from home-grown timber).

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Still, once the world's petroleum and coal deposits are exhausted or if everyone obeys the wishes of that very naïve Swedish lass to "leave it in the ground", it will be no longer possible to make plastics or new iron! Then what.... ? Don't ask Greta. She won't know.
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell It's a fact that animals have plastic in their stomachs nowadays and we need to buy less plastic and make sure it doesn't go in the ocean, and nature where birds, fish, and animals eat it and die. San Francisco is outlawing plastic bags.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Oh yes, I don't dispute that fact, and plastic bags are among the worst culprits. It is the scapegoating of "plastics" full-stop with which I disagree.

The tiniest plastic particles choke the minute ocean animals relied on as food by larger creatures up to the fish being hunted by humans to death.

Supermarkets and other large shops in the UK now have to sell carrier-bags (typically at 5p a time) with encouragement to make the bags last more than just one trip.
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Co-incidentally I saw a TV documentary recently about the problems of land-fill sites, and not least their corollary of appalling waste of re-usable materials. Plastics - oh yes. Also though, the the metals in portable telephones and other small domestic electronic instruments, merely thrown in the rubbish by owners I regard as definitely NOT "tech savvy", to use their silly slang.

These metals are steel, aluminium, copper, tin, lead, gold and various finite-resource, rare-earth elements. Many are difficult and costly to find and extract, some from very poor and unstable countries... and the programme quoted an "average" of an appallingly-low 2 years only for a "smart"-phone...?

Why only two years? The documentary did not go into that as it was not its remit. I suspect the reason is as shallow as mere fashion, backed by wilful premature obsolescence by the instrument manufacturers and Internet-software providers.
Mitchonthebeach1 · 26-30, M
@ArishMell I don’t think they could ever eliminate plastic
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Mitchonthebeach1 I agree. The problem is what to do with the stuff when It's no longer a serviceable; but most of the pollution it causes is by poor, lazy or wilfully negligent disposal.

Eventually though we won't have the raw materials for most synthetic plastics of all types, either by depletion or choice, but no-one seems to be considering that.