I Am Amazed At the Universe

Of course you are totally unaware that Darwin‘s natural selection was observed before Darwin. We are not talking about Darwin as we know all about that but transmigration of the species which we know does not occur. We know that bacteria still remain bacteria. It is laughable that you should say that the case for a creator is unproven when the case for an exceedingly complicated cell making itself is postulated by unguided and undesigned evolution@Elessar

@Speedyman Obviously within an observable timeframe (months/years) you can't expect a bacterium to mutate so radically to start another phylum. That's not even the point, try in a timeframe of billion years and probably it does.

Common sense has never been and will never be sufficient to explain the universe, up to 500 years ago (that is yesterday, compared to how long humanity existed) common sense said that the Earth should've necessarily been flat, yet here we are. "It couldn't happen otherwise" is not a valid argument to explain something, scientifically speaking.

Of course this is always the get out of the Darwinians. That it happens over such a long period of time that it can’t be noticed. Come on experiments have been done with bacteria and tried to accelerate the process and nothing has changed apart from mutations but they still remain inside the species. No one in any common sense as ever believe the world was flat. That is a stupid nonsense put about by atheists. The Greeks believed the world was round so for goodness sake stop bringing that horrible chestnut in because it’s just not true. As I’ve said before atheism is based on ignorance and you seem to be full of it@Elessar

@Speedyman [quote]ever believe the world was flat[/quote]

The bible depicts the world as flat even though the ancient Greeks had already demonstrated that the world is a sphere, and had even measured its circumference.

Apparently a bunch of Bronze-Age Middle-Eastern goat herders didn’t get the memo

@Speedyman [quote]transmigration of the species[/quote]

What is that supposed to mean? Do you think that one species turns into another species? No, surely not!

That’s the sort of simplistic, sophistic nonsense found in creationist indoctrination pamphlets... it’s as hilarious as it is duplicitous

Here’s a clue for you... common ancestry

Sorry but I leave the simplistic nonsense to you@newjaninev2

@Speedyman Apparently you also leave any germane, coherent, and reasoned discussion to me.

Run along

@Speedyman Science at the present day can't "accelerate" evolution, above all by the factor required, don't mix what you see in sci-fi movies with reality/research.

Ancient Greeks in fact weren't creationist, nor had a monotheistic religion systematically prosecuting and potentially torturing to death anyone who claimed something that went against their book, including that the Earth wasn't flat.

I said the Greeks believed the Earth was round. It was ignorant people who put around the myth that the Earth was flat. Your science seems to have more in common with sci-fi and real science@Elessar

The reason is that reasoned discussion with you is non-existent@newjaninev2

@Speedyman The official position of the entire Christianity before it was too evident to deny it, and by extension their Inquisition, was that it was flat. Ignorant people indeed.

Said by those who think the entire humanity derives from multigenerational incestual breeding...

You are totally ridiculous. That is what was told us at junior school and I have learned a bit since then. So how do you believe the first cell was formed? And how did it survive in a hostile environment? You see the whole process of Unguided evolution is totally illogical@Elessar

@Speedyman So you've unlearned what you learned in school?

For sure not by some man in the sky who created humanity by making the children and children of children of the first two prototype inbreeding, circa 5000 years ago. When we have hard evidence that this world and life itself is much older than that. But sure, if you want to believe in fairy tales..

So you believe the fairytale that nothing made something? Sorry I gave up believing in magic spells at school@Elessar

@Speedyman Have I ever said I believe that? I just said I don't believe in your bullshit.

@Speedyman [quote]nothing made something[/quote]

So first nothing made a magical entity, and then that magical entity made everything else?

Of course, the magical entity made by nothing would need to be more complex than everything it made, and nothing would need to be more complex than the magical entity it made.

You were saying something about fairy tales..?

@Speedyman Who made your fucking god?

Another typical ignorant statement by a totally ignorant person. When did you have your brain removed?@redredred

@newjaninev2 As you believe in the fairytale that nothing created something I don’t think you can honestly go on about other people believing in fairytales. Now go and shake your fist at some imaginary fairies at the bottom of your garden like the other atheists do

@Speedyman Umm... you were the first to mention fairytales. Do you no longer wish to talk about fairytales?

You claim is that first nothing made a magical entity, and then that magical entity made everything else.

Somehow you forgot to mention that the magical entity made by nothing would need to be more complex than everything it made, and nothing would need to be more complex than the magical entity it made.

You were saying something about fairy tales? The one you offered is a doozy!

You have no idea what you are talking about. It is always quite touching and quite fetching to me the way you atheists hold on to childish ideas of Gpd as some sort of ‘magical entity’ whereas most of us grew out of that years ago when we left primary school and expanded our minds to take in the facts of what God was like, But stick to your fairy tales. One is peeking round the corner at you. Might be Mr Dawkins@newjaninev2

@Speedyman So, you in fact have nothing germane or coherent to offer, I see

As you haven’t why does that worry you?@newjaninev2

@Speedyman If you would even once respond coherently and on topic, we might have something to discuss, but you seem limited to fear, insults, and bizarre ramblings... utterly incapable of adult discourse.

Well as you yourself never respond to anything coherently that is a problem. But as you inhabit a world made by chance with no point and no reason that is not surprising @newjaninev2