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I Believe The Universe Is Purely Mathematical

Here's a crude proof that math existed before the universe began. I love proofs :D They're pretty smexy :P


Lemma 1: Particles are purely mathematical.

Proposition A: Everything can be broken down into a single or a class of elementary particles.

In this situation, the tiniest particle cannot have any physical property, else it could be broken down further. Its properties can only be mathematically described in terms of its resonant frequency and spin. There are no physical properties at this level; everything is just a modeled interaction between said particles with given formulaic patterns.

Proposition B: Everything is made up of infinitely tiny particles or particles that can be broken down an infinite number of times.

In this situation, there is no tiniest particle. Due to the nature of infinity, the supposed "tiniest" particle doesn't exist and the resulting structure has no physical property; again, only a purely mathematical one that defines the interactions between particle structures within itself and between others, its spin, and resonant frequency.

Because these are the only two possible outcomes, being Boolean in nature, and because both have been proven to be purely mathematical, I have now proven that the fundamental particles are purely mathematical.

Corollary: Using the proof of Lemma 1, I introduce a syllogism.

Because the fundamental particles are purely mathematical, and the universe is made up of and only of these fundamental particles, the universe is also purely mathematical in nature.


Lemma 2: Fundamental particles and forces came after math.

Fundamental particles and forces have their basis in math. Fundamental particles and forces couldn't have been created without the prior existence of math, because there wouldn't be any way to define their properties, as proposed in Lemma 1. Thus math had to exist prior to the existence of fundamental particles and forces for them to exist, else they couldn't possibly defined.

Conclusion:

Because everything is made up of fundamental particles and forces, which are in turn purely mathematical, everything is purely mathematical. Because mathematics define these forces and not the other way around, mathematics had to exist first. Because these particles and forces had to be created somehow during the Big Bang, math had to be there to create them initially to define the singularity.

THUS math existed before the creation of the universe :D
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aphroditespriestess
Hey this relates to a question I wanted to ask you because you are EP's go-to person for math! The universe is 14 billion years old or whatever, right? But a year is a cycle of the seasons and the sun's positions relative to the earth. So, what do they mean by a year before there was an earth? or a sun? Or before there was anything in cyclical motion?
Seems like it should be a simple question but I have asked a physicist who couldn't explain it. But I have confidence that you can. <3
TetrisGuy · 26-30, M
Think of it this way. Before we had a clock or any comprehension of the passage of time, a minute ticking by would still be a minute. I am not looking at a clock right now, but I know that time is still passing, regardless of whether I'm looking at the clock or not. We define a second to be what it is, and we can work backwards to see how long ago something happened. For instance, I have a video of a plate breaking. I know exactly what time the plate broke, and I know how long the plate was in free-fall. By dividing that time in free-fall into predefined intervals (i.e. seconds), we can work out how long the plate was in free fall, and as such, when it was first dropped. In a similar way, instead of subdividing time into intervals of seconds, we subdivide time into intervals of years--as defined by the amount of time it takes for earth to make one revolution around the sun. By using various techniques, we can estimate the age of the universe (measured in various other methods and then converted using dimensional analysis) by subdividing this period of existence into intervals of years, then counting the number of intervals that fit. This will give the age, and so on. For instance, lets say that you want to estimate my birth year (essentially, my age). You know that I'm in 12th grade, and you know that typical 12th graders are 17 years old. You know that this is 2014. So you can work backwards and see that I was born in 1997. See what I mean now?
atenra11
It's kinda cute isnt it, we need a physical earth and sun to have the concept of a 'year', yet a few silly cosmologists like to use phrases like think of time before time began, or similar gloopiness.
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There is the physical reality *hits you with a rock ouch*
There is the idea *green bunnies*
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now imagine green bunnies before i bash them with the rock
and then imagine
me doing this before rocks were invented.