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OggggO · 36-40, M
What's even the point? With most of these nutcase conspiracies there's actually an endgame that the purported deception could actually achieve? But flat Earth? What do they gain by expending such extreme effort to convince people it's round rather than flat? How can they possibly benefit from something that takes such an enormous amount of constant maintenance: plane routes, satellites, time zones, weather patterns, and so much more, yet has so little direct impact on 99.99% of people's lives? What the hell are they achieving that's worth it?
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ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@OggggO [quote]How can they possibly benefit[/quote]
Obviously they cannot all benefit economically but some benefit from fees for giving talks and for hosting advertising on their websites.
I think we should distinguish between the mass of believers, who do not benefit except from a sense of belonging, and the leaders of the 'movement' who benefit from a sense of power and possibly financially.
Obviously they cannot all benefit economically but some benefit from fees for giving talks and for hosting advertising on their websites.
I think we should distinguish between the mass of believers, who do not benefit except from a sense of belonging, and the leaders of the 'movement' who benefit from a sense of power and possibly financially.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@ninalanyon Wrong “they”. I mean the nebulous “they” alleged to be hiding the flatness of Earth. What’s the benefit for them?
DocSavage · M
@OggggO
According to his last post. There is vast amounts of land, secret, advanced technology, and proof of creation. Any ship that falls off the edge, is rescued, repaired , with the passages and crew payed off to keep them quiet.
What “they” doing with this land and technology he won’t say, however we pay taxes to support it. Probably used to pay off all those witnesses .
According to his last post. There is vast amounts of land, secret, advanced technology, and proof of creation. Any ship that falls off the edge, is rescued, repaired , with the passages and crew payed off to keep them quiet.
What “they” doing with this land and technology he won’t say, however we pay taxes to support it. Probably used to pay off all those witnesses .
TBIman · 41-45, M
@OggggO I am not the one lying here. So why ask me for a motive? There are tons of motives for them (I do not know they, or them are so please do not ask).
1) They are hiding land.
2) They are hiding creation (God)
3) They are hiding technology
4) They are stealing our money and pretending to explore space.
That right there is all the motive you need.
There are many more reasons to propagate this lie. But that is enough. NASA gets BILLIONS of dollars a year to maintain this lie.
1) They are hiding land.
2) They are hiding creation (God)
3) They are hiding technology
4) They are stealing our money and pretending to explore space.
That right there is all the motive you need.
There are many more reasons to propagate this lie. But that is enough. NASA gets BILLIONS of dollars a year to maintain this lie.
DocSavage · M
@TBIman
[quote] 1) They are hiding land.
2) They are hiding creation (God)
3) They are hiding technology
4) They are stealing our money and pretending to explore space.
That right there is all the motive you need.[/quote]
None of which you could possibly show evidence for. Due to the fact that it is not only incredibly stupid. But also physically impossible. Minor detail of course.
[quote] 1) They are hiding land.
2) They are hiding creation (God)
3) They are hiding technology
4) They are stealing our money and pretending to explore space.
That right there is all the motive you need.[/quote]
None of which you could possibly show evidence for. Due to the fact that it is not only incredibly stupid. But also physically impossible. Minor detail of course.
TBIman · 41-45, M
@DocSavage It is true that I cannot show evidence for any of the things that I listed except NASA stealing our money and pretending to expolre space. Just as you cannot show any evidence for a spinning ball of water in a space vacuum.
Water sticking to the outside of a spinning sphere is totally impossible yet most of the world still believe it.
I'm very interested to know how anyone can still believe in the nonesense spinning ball of water? Do you honestly still believe that you are living stuck to the side of a spinning water ball? If so, which one of your senses tells you that?
Again I like you Doc. I believe that there [i]might[/i] still be hope for you.
You are going to have a bowel movement in your pants when you see just how brainwashed we all were, and many of us still are. You are just going to have to look into the flat Earth yourself. If you already have, and saw something which you believe is proof for the ball... rexamine it, and you will find that it was a belief and not actaul proof of anything,
Water sticking to the outside of a spinning sphere is totally impossible yet most of the world still believe it.
I'm very interested to know how anyone can still believe in the nonesense spinning ball of water? Do you honestly still believe that you are living stuck to the side of a spinning water ball? If so, which one of your senses tells you that?
Again I like you Doc. I believe that there [i]might[/i] still be hope for you.
You are going to have a bowel movement in your pants when you see just how brainwashed we all were, and many of us still are. You are just going to have to look into the flat Earth yourself. If you already have, and saw something which you believe is proof for the ball... rexamine it, and you will find that it was a belief and not actaul proof of anything,
DocSavage · M
@TBIman [quote] Water sticking to the outside of a spinning sphere is totally impossible yet most of the world still believe it. [/quote]
Have you ever actually tried to duplicate the conditions ? Or did you just dip a tennis ball in water, and put it on a string.
You keep quoting experiments we’ve all seen debunked a hundred times.
And all you accomplished to demonstrate is you complete lack of comprehension of how reality works.
The reasons for your so called conspiracy are also stupid and impractical.the land, the technology are far more valuable money wise than the cost of the cover up. So the first big question is going to be.
“Why bother ? “ especially when so many people know the truth.
Have you ever actually tried to duplicate the conditions ? Or did you just dip a tennis ball in water, and put it on a string.
You keep quoting experiments we’ve all seen debunked a hundred times.
And all you accomplished to demonstrate is you complete lack of comprehension of how reality works.
The reasons for your so called conspiracy are also stupid and impractical.the land, the technology are far more valuable money wise than the cost of the cover up. So the first big question is going to be.
“Why bother ? “ especially when so many people know the truth.
DocSavage · M
@TBIman
So you haven’t tried any of the experiments yourself. So you little ball trick won’t work in realistic conditions. Nor would any of your other so called proofs.
You just assume the conspiracy is real, because you can’t be bothered to actually investigate it, or the science frost hand. Even the most basic and simple observations.
So you haven’t tried any of the experiments yourself. So you little ball trick won’t work in realistic conditions. Nor would any of your other so called proofs.
You just assume the conspiracy is real, because you can’t be bothered to actually investigate it, or the science frost hand. Even the most basic and simple observations.
DocSavage · M
@TBIman
YouTube right ?
What about the one flat earther who brought his own laser set up and ended up proving himself wrong ? I suppose that one doesn’t count.
[quote] what would be the purpose of faking an experiment [/quote]
What would be the purpose of hiding vast areas of land ?
It’s covered in ice and snow. And too cold for most people to live there and work it.
YouTube right ?
What about the one flat earther who brought his own laser set up and ended up proving himself wrong ? I suppose that one doesn’t count.
[quote] what would be the purpose of faking an experiment [/quote]
What would be the purpose of hiding vast areas of land ?
It’s covered in ice and snow. And too cold for most people to live there and work it.
TBIman · 41-45, M
@DocSavage I hear ya Doc. The flat Earther you are referring to was Bob from the YouTube channel "Globebusters." And he did not prove curvature. There were branches in the way. I heard that Bob died a month or two ago.
I don't know what the purpose of hiding vast areas of land would be. Resources are found in the land—coal, oil, diamonds, gold, and silver. and whatever else we get from the Earth. I do not know why they are lying to the world about what the world is. I only know that they are lying. Please stop asking me for a motive. NASA gets BILLIONS of dollars a year to make people like you believe in outer space. That is the only motive I need.
I don't know what the purpose of hiding vast areas of land would be. Resources are found in the land—coal, oil, diamonds, gold, and silver. and whatever else we get from the Earth. I do not know why they are lying to the world about what the world is. I only know that they are lying. Please stop asking me for a motive. NASA gets BILLIONS of dollars a year to make people like you believe in outer space. That is the only motive I need.
DocSavage · M
@TBIman
What do you mean stop asking for a motive ?
That’s the main question. Why do they do it, if they don’t benefit from it in some way that makes it worth the effort ?
Whatever you think NASA is getting from the conspiracy, couldn’t possibly match from the potential income by exploiting the mineral wealth of the land.
Your claim simply makes no sense whatsoever. What could be that valuable, that makes the conspiracy of that complexity and expense a sensible alternative ? Especially when you have overwhelming scientific evidence that makes what you claim impossible ?
What do you mean stop asking for a motive ?
That’s the main question. Why do they do it, if they don’t benefit from it in some way that makes it worth the effort ?
Whatever you think NASA is getting from the conspiracy, couldn’t possibly match from the potential income by exploiting the mineral wealth of the land.
Your claim simply makes no sense whatsoever. What could be that valuable, that makes the conspiracy of that complexity and expense a sensible alternative ? Especially when you have overwhelming scientific evidence that makes what you claim impossible ?
TBIman · 41-45, M
@DocSavage You need to stop asking for a motive and start looking at the evidence man. There is nothing that makes the flat Earth impossible. If there were it wouldn't have lasted for as long as it has.
I don't know what you want from me. I've told you that the lizard people are lying. What do you want me to show you? A photo of "the edge?" It does not exist, because there is no edge of the Earth. "But TBIman doesn't every flat thing have an edge?" Every flat thing that we can see and measure has an edge. Not the Earth. Stop asking me for answers that no one has... except... the lizard people.
I don't know what you want from me. I've told you that the lizard people are lying. What do you want me to show you? A photo of "the edge?" It does not exist, because there is no edge of the Earth. "But TBIman doesn't every flat thing have an edge?" Every flat thing that we can see and measure has an edge. Not the Earth. Stop asking me for answers that no one has... except... the lizard people.
DocSavage · M
@TBIman [quote] There were branches in the way[/quote]
Is there any reason he couldn’t repeat the experiment without the branches ? One of the qualities of science is that you get consistent results
Over and over. It’s not a one time deal.
Your excuses are too ridiculous to be taken seriously. The entire flat earth idea is completely stupid.
Is there any reason he couldn’t repeat the experiment without the branches ? One of the qualities of science is that you get consistent results
Over and over. It’s not a one time deal.
Your excuses are too ridiculous to be taken seriously. The entire flat earth idea is completely stupid.
DocSavage · M
@TBIman
Show us the evidence then. Show us why we should believe in something that is completely against the laws of physics. Is contrary to all observations, something that explains why no one has ever found out the truth in centuries, despite the advance of science and technology, which would make all of what you claim impossible.
I’ve seen the same videos you have. Not one makes any sense. And as I said, none of it could possibly be worth the effort.
Make it work if you can.
Show us the evidence then. Show us why we should believe in something that is completely against the laws of physics. Is contrary to all observations, something that explains why no one has ever found out the truth in centuries, despite the advance of science and technology, which would make all of what you claim impossible.
I’ve seen the same videos you have. Not one makes any sense. And as I said, none of it could possibly be worth the effort.
Make it work if you can.
TBIman · 41-45, M
@DocSavage That experiment was very hard to conduct. Which is why it gave an inconclusive result. It's not that easy to measure the Earth. Have you attempted to measure the Earth? Didn't think so.
My excuses are much better than "gravity", or "that's not what I learned during my indoctrination."
If the entire flat Earth idea is completely stupid... why do you keep asking me questions about it? It's because deep inside yourself you know that it is possible.
My excuses are much better than "gravity", or "that's not what I learned during my indoctrination."
If the entire flat Earth idea is completely stupid... why do you keep asking me questions about it? It's because deep inside yourself you know that it is possible.
DocSavage · M
@TBIman
Human nature. Unreasonable stupidity is hard to understand. Makes us curious.
The experiment with the laser is not hard to do. And the guy followed the steps himself, and got exactly the right results. As did those before and after him did.
If NASA was trying to cover it up, they apparently never considered the fact other people could do the math. Which further debunks the idea.
There is nothing to stop people from observing facts themselves if they want the truth.
We’re not all stuck inside ,
Human nature. Unreasonable stupidity is hard to understand. Makes us curious.
The experiment with the laser is not hard to do. And the guy followed the steps himself, and got exactly the right results. As did those before and after him did.
If NASA was trying to cover it up, they apparently never considered the fact other people could do the math. Which further debunks the idea.
There is nothing to stop people from observing facts themselves if they want the truth.
We’re not all stuck inside ,
TBIman · 41-45, M
@DocSavage Get a camera with a good zoom lens, and after the boat has completely disappeared from view zoom in on it and watch the entire boat come into view again. Proving that it didn't drop behind a curve; that it simply went beyond the limit of your eyesight. Or you could just watch videos showing that boats never go below the horizon. I find it hard to believe that you would use "boats over the horizon" as proof of the globe. It has been debunked for years.
I've been researching flat Earth for years at this point. So it is unlikely that you will come up with a cut-and-dry proof of the globe. This is because the globe simply does not exist.
I've been researching flat Earth for years at this point. So it is unlikely that you will come up with a cut-and-dry proof of the globe. This is because the globe simply does not exist.
DocSavage · M
@TBIman
The boat would disappear completely then , wouldn’t it ? Top and bottom on a level surface. Your research seems a bit flat headed.
Doesn’t matter. Any of the other methods available will still support the the globe. You simply cannot hide something like that. All your excuses have been debunked ages ago.
What is not the problem. It’s still the why. You’ve not explained what possible reason anyone, including NASA could have for such an elaborate conspiracy, when millions of people with the means could expose it easily.
Hidden land, technology, money, there isn’t enough of any of that to float your boat. Even on a level sea.
The boat would disappear completely then , wouldn’t it ? Top and bottom on a level surface. Your research seems a bit flat headed.
Doesn’t matter. Any of the other methods available will still support the the globe. You simply cannot hide something like that. All your excuses have been debunked ages ago.
What is not the problem. It’s still the why. You’ve not explained what possible reason anyone, including NASA could have for such an elaborate conspiracy, when millions of people with the means could expose it easily.
Hidden land, technology, money, there isn’t enough of any of that to float your boat. Even on a level sea.
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