You ever had an urge you couldn't resist and it forced you to rip off your clothes?

@Jessmari aye it pays to be knowledgeable. Paul the apostle who is attributed to two thirds of the New testament claims himself that he was discovered in nakedness often.

David, Isaiah, Noah, Saul, habukuk, Jeremiah. These are just a few who experienced nakedness or wrote about it in their texts. A few of those prophets spoke in this way " the whole world, every kingdom will see your nakedness, for your skirts and loin cloths will be lifted over your head and your own hand will do it"

I know because I studied it because I needed to know what was happening to me. Even now I know it's coming over me again and will not be a little private episode. It will be more like a total crucifixion in many ways. I'll have no escape, my own hand will cause it and until someone releases me I'll be suspended naked on display.

It's my cup I want to drink it. I just want the end of it all.

@GoogleSearch You could also just be naked because you want to be naked.

@Jessmari oh my goodness, tsk tsk all my years of studies and experiences and I missed such a simple thing.. lol... Naw I mean you're right for some it may be so. When I was younger and with a gf bet I wanted to be naked with her and her sisters and friends.

But it's something entirely different when your in public and desperately want to be clothed but still you are overtaken and find yourself ripping your clothes off while you actually want them on and attempting to cover yourself while you sprint away from people as fast as possible.

If it was about pleasure and cumming and I wasn't trying to resist and I wasn't covering myself or running away from ppl then I'd agree.

But it's a total diff nakedness than when your gf sisters walk in and you make their view more convenient on purpose because it feels good to be seen even without touching.

One is those you know the other is millions you don't. I'm ready to just want to be naked though forever if it will end this for good.. but keeping everything one by never wearing clothes again sounds excessive perhaps.

@GoogleSearch You speak in terms of no free will and of passages that I have never heard interpreted in any way like that. I think you should find a good mentor for your studies.

@Zeusdelight experience is a very valid mentor, we are not all called to the same end, many of our Christian lives will be minutely or drastically different than the others around us.

I have sound mentors and I am taught to live in the spirit and not in the flesh and that's fundamental for all but I can't find a mentor who has gone through half the shit I have. For a long time my only guide could be the Bible itself opening up my experiences after I had them to show me about them. But even so I do not look highly upon myself but rather humbly and low I reckon I'm one whom God has chose to afflict with poisonous arrows above my brethren. And I do not feel pity about this nor do I speak against God.

I'll accept all that he gives be it goodness or adversity and I'll still open my heart to him in worship and I'll call him good.

God gave job to Satan and he was so horribly afflicted to receive that good blessing but God would not let Satan take away his life.

It's what Satan said that's of intrigue.

He said "skin for skin"

I reckon then my experiences have been for the destruction of my flesh that a spiritual skin might rise up after my flesh dies in agony and perplexing circumstances..

Jesus said.. new wine goes in new skin.

So please God hurt me today but heal me tomorrow and I'd love that new wine.

@Zeusdelight oh bro one more thing. Free will?

We can choose to love evil or to love good but Jesus has no free will to forfeit the cyup he drank in the garden on the way to the cross. And in no uncertain terms did Jesus even hint to his disciples that they would have freewill to forfeit the cross that he assured them he must carry..

So.. free will exists but not in all things, some things must occur as they must occur.

We have freewill to choose Christ righteousness but we have no will at all when it comes to how God burns the devil out of us...

Much love brother. I'm not wise but I'm no fool

@GoogleSearch So you live in the Spirit but not in the flesh with this post: Would you get naked in a vehicle and let your girlfriend's choose your fate?

And who on earth told you that Jesus had no free will? Was Gethsamene a good act?

@Zeusdelight I really did not ever attest that I might in some way be perfect. So I'm not sure y the question about flesh or spirit unless you're trying to show me something through a borderline judgement? Shrugs.. if it's possible that in the slightest that could have been a judgement id urge you to hit matt ch7 and even more Romans 14:4..

I can't know the extent of your trials and difficulties in life, and in turn you also cannot know mine.

So what makes you you and what makes me me are both things that come from the lord. So you might look at me in our brief encounter today and youay think hypocrite but God knows and In reality, bro I'm just exhausted and took a day off to relax and feel good so I can recompute and try again to kik the devil's arse tomorrow with a fresh start..

And free will vs predestination it's not a battle of wits I feel like having because I know that I do t need to convince you of my view because it's not important. Wether I believe that at times the spirit drives me and I don't have free will, or wether I believe I can tell the spirit hey don't you control me right now cause I wanna do something different, has no bearing on my salvation which is a free gift, not something g I can earn by good behaviour and my sin can't nullify the free gift, rather my sin is the reason for the gift and Christ's righteousness is the only way into heaven.

Free will and predestination cannot change salvation.

Yes.. Gethsemane was a good act... I cannot see how their was a will there that could have changed the out come. I know it point black says. "Not my will, father but yours be done"

Words.. he had to save us and it could go no other way in my opinion

@GoogleSearch I have no idea about you or whether you are a hypocrite.

However, I think your ideas are up the garden path.

I don't get into Bible Bingo telling people to look at this part and that, It seems to me to be an abuse even though many do it.

Logic after the event does not tell us what was the reality of the event in the participant's mind.

@Zeusdelight well, since I'm not a narcissist I'm not sure how to take "ideas are up the garden path". A narcissist would be like yeah that's good but perhaps your meaning no one else has ever come off with anything like this, so the many must be right, though the world languished and this guy must be nuts. Don't care really.

Either way you would have said the same thing to Jesus if you had been there in that day. Why? Because he was the only one pushing the envelope a different direction.

No, logic after the event does not tell us the reality of the event in the participants mind.

True. But we have pre logic, post logic and a complete transcript during the event and the words who h one speaks does reveal what's in their heart and mind..

You seem to consider yourself a well read person who favors philosophy. I didn't learn from man though I've enjoyed im sure the same reads. Aristotle, rumi, plato... I learned through revelation of Jesus Christ when he appeared and spoke with me face to face. At this point I went upthegarden path as you say. I needed answers and trained men could not provide..

Hope you have a blessed day

@GoogleSearch Well, I should get you to do my posts if you want to tell me what I would say to people.