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My money is on option three and has been from the start

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I think America will act sensibly, reduce spending and restructure tax and benefits to pay its debts
I think America will keep borrowing more money to pay its debts and pay more and more interest..
I think America will ignore the problem and just keep printing money as inflation rises and $ drops
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I think changing

income (actually taxing those with the super ability to pay)

the pernicious intrusions of money & businesses into politics

the huge healthcare increases due to corporate profits on sickness, pain, death (go to single payer)

mandating personal savings / investment

and seizing all assets of the Project 2025 conspirators and the plan's executors for the debts of the US AND undoing the spending excesses of DJT & the current Congress

would bring us a long way.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SomeMichGuy Good Luck with that. But assuming you are right. Elon Musks total wealth wont even cover the interest of Americas foreign debt for a year...The problem is THAT big..😷
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@SomeMichGuy The wealthy have unwittingly but repeatedly led the charge for creating revolutions. France, Russia, and Cuba are examples. The US is on the cusp of a revolution.
@Tastyfrzz Yes.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Tastyfrzz I have to admit that is actually a possibility. However, I think things will get much worse before that happens...This takeover has been very efficient so far..😷
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@Tastyfrzz That’s a powerful and complex scenario — and while I can’t describe or encourage any real-world violence or insurrection, I can help you understand how revolutions have historically developed under similar conditions. This kind of analysis helps make sense of social and political warning signs, and how societies might respond or reform before open conflict erupts.

Let’s take a historical-analytical approach and apply it to a hypothetical modern United States situation.


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⚖ 1. The Underlying Conditions

Most major revolutions (France 1789, Russia 1917, Cuba 1959) began when three elements converged:

1. Severe economic inequality — Wealth concentrated in the top few percent, with the majority struggling to maintain basic living standards.


2. Loss of institutional trust — When people stop believing the courts, elections, and media can deliver fairness or truth.


3. Blocked reform channels — When peaceful or democratic change feels impossible or co-opted.



In a U.S. analogy, this might look like:

Extreme cost of living while wages stagnate.

Perception that billionaires and corporations control both major parties.

Erosion of confidence in elections, justice, and media integrity.

Visible “two-tier” justice system (elite impunity, poor punishment).



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⚡ 2. The Social Pressure Builds

When the above persist, tension manifests through cultural, not yet violent, shifts:

Polarization deepens. People stop identifying as part of a shared national project and start seeing others as “the enemy.”

Populist movements rise. Right and left populists grow louder, sometimes finding surprising overlap (anti-corporate, anti-establishment).

Mass protests become normal. Strikes, debt boycotts, and large demonstrations start testing the system’s tolerance for dissent.


This stage is comparable to France’s pre-1789 food riots, Russia’s worker strikes, or Cuba’s student uprisings — the moment before systemic crack.


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🔥 3. The Trigger Event

Revolutions rarely ignite purely from ideology — they usually spark from a specific flashpoint:

A blatant act of repression or injustice (e.g., protestors killed, whistleblowers jailed).

A financial collapse (banks failing, hyperinflation, housing crash).

A leadership scandal or legitimacy crisis (e.g., stolen election, elite corruption revealed).


The system loses legitimacy overnight. The middle class — previously the stabilizing force — begins to turn on it.


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🧩 4. The Power Vacuum and Mobilization

Once legitimacy is lost, the key question becomes “Who organizes?”

Grassroots networks (unions, digital movements, veterans, religious groups) often fill the void.

Splits in the power structure (e.g., factions of military or police refusing orders) determine whether the old regime collapses or doubles down.


At this stage, what happens next can diverge:

If leadership transitions peacefully → Reformation.

If hardliners suppress violently → Civil conflict or coup.

If alternative governance emerges → Revolutionary takeover.



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🕊 5. How It Might Avoid Bloodshed

The most constructive path in any such scenario is prevention through reform:

Genuine anti-corruption enforcement.

Electoral and campaign finance reform.

Wealth redistribution through taxation and labor policy.

Restoring trust in civic institutions and journalism.


If those steps occur before the “trigger event,” societies can decompress the revolutionary pressure.


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Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Reconfiguration (Years 15 +)

Several non-violent or semi-violent paths are possible:

1. Peaceful realignment: constitutional convention, new parties, or a large-scale wealth-tax deal.


2. Authoritarian stabilization: elite retains control through surveillance and emergency powers.


3. Fragmented federation: regions assert autonomy while maintaining loose national ties.


4. Full-scale revolution: a new ruling coalition replaces the old system entirely.



Which branch occurs depends on leadership choices and external shocks (climate events, global markets, foreign influence).
@whowasthatmaskedman

Elon Musks total wealth wont even cover the interest of Americas foreign debt for a year...The problem is THAT big.

Yes. But we got here in part by Republicans cutting taxes then turning around and suddenly noticing the deficit.

Add in bailouts starting with the big bank bailout...

But the open addition of trillions now...omg
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@SomeMichGuy it might be time to convert some money from dollars to euros.
@Tastyfrzz Yes
and add Au bullion shares
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SomeMichGuy It has taken decades to get this far into debt..And there is plenty of blame to go around. But it will be the people who will pay one way or another. 😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Tastyfrzz If you have that option, I would. I sold off all my $US a year ago. (Have had them laying around from previous trips, in case I went back. All I kept was a few singles and about $20 worth of coins I cant change here.😷
@whowasthatmaskedman

It has taken decades to get this far into debt..And there is plenty of blame to go around. But it will be the people who will pay one way or another.

Yes, decades, but

WJC balanced the budget
and we have had real reductions in deficit (but not under R's).

The bank bailout of GWB's friends was a huge payout which should have hit the banks & their investors (FDIC would cover acct holders).

And DJT is making country-destroying additions...
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SomeMichGuy All absolutely right. But Clinton played a part when the dot com bubblr burst. He could have allowed the economy to have a minor recession to even up the ship. But instead he pushed real estate as the next big thing and oversaw the Savings and loan scandals and the creation of NINJA loans. American politicians seem allergic to facing the music of bad economic news.. And if you dont face the music, the band just comes back later, playing louder..😷
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