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ArishMell · 70-79, M
No, because when the modern Israel was created, although badly conceived and cruelly executed, no-one could really have forecast what would happen seventy or eighty years later.
It is also wrong to use the name "Holocaust" to describe what Israel is doing in Gaza, but its actions are utterly reprehensible and irresponsible; going beyond simple revenge and descending to the level of Hamas.
Anyway, "Europe" is not one country, and the decision to create a country called Israel by partioning the country called Palestine was by the UN or its League of Nations predecessor, not only European nations.
It is also wrong to use the name "Holocaust" to describe what Israel is doing in Gaza, but its actions are utterly reprehensible and irresponsible; going beyond simple revenge and descending to the level of Hamas.
Anyway, "Europe" is not one country, and the decision to create a country called Israel by partioning the country called Palestine was by the UN or its League of Nations predecessor, not only European nations.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@22Michelle No they are not blameless although they do not parade themselves as mindless death-worshippers, as ISIS was wont to do.
Judaism itself is more ready than some to accept other faiths, but Zionism - and that was their own term - is nationalist with a religious foundation rather than purely religious.
There are good people on all sides, of course, but let down by their leaders / rulers. I do not know the situation now but for generations the caretakers of the site traditionally thought Christ's birthplace in Bethlehem, was a local Muslim family.
Judaism itself is more ready than some to accept other faiths, but Zionism - and that was their own term - is nationalist with a religious foundation rather than purely religious.
There are good people on all sides, of course, but let down by their leaders / rulers. I do not know the situation now but for generations the caretakers of the site traditionally thought Christ's birthplace in Bethlehem, was a local Muslim family.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@22Michelle Yes - I take your point entirely. The present conflict is really territorial but has a powerful cultural / religious aspect to its political background; easily exploited by extremists of any of the three Abrahamic religions.
It's not religious faith itself that is to blame, but how people use and misuse it that inflames the situation.
It's not religious faith itself that is to blame, but how people use and misuse it that inflames the situation.
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@BohemianBabe We may be at cross purposes as I agree. I do think there is an ongoing genocide. However, my point has been that whether it's genocide or ethnic cleansing there should be no one upmanship as seems to happen with the Holocaust. The numbers don't matter it is the intent, the crime itself. And to be honest should it matter more that the victims of the crime, of mass murder are all of the same race, ethnicity, religion? Does Stalin get a pass because he was more of an equal opportunities murderer?
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@22Michelle the continuity is what you deny. Sure. Be louder.
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@Roundandroundwego You've lost me there. What continuity am I denying?
WestonTexan · 18-21, M
