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A great article by Pat Buchanan supporting the idea that communism won WWII and the west lost.

https://buchanan.org/blog/who-won-and-who-lost-world-war-ii-137459

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MartinII · 70-79, M

Well, up to a point, Lord Copper. First, the communists and the west (meaning the British Empire, the US and their allies) were on the same side for most of the war, so in a narrow sense they both won. Yes, eastern Europe was controlled by the Soviet Union after the war, so in that sense the communists had a partial victory and various countries, notably Poland, were saved from Nazism only to be subjected to a comparable tyranny. But the communist sphere of influence was limited, any expansion in Europe was prevented, essentially by the American nuclear deterrent, and communism was eventually defeated, or it imploded, in the 1980s.

Cierzo · M

@MartinII The west is much more than the US and the UK. Germany and Italy belong to the west too, and they lost. The UK lost their colonial empire. I cannot see in which way they won.

US and USSR took control of half of Europe each, they were the winners.

MartinII · 70-79, M

@Cierzo Britain didn’t lose its empire as a consequence of the war. The war possibly even delayed decolonisation slightly. The UK, and all its allies, won in the sense that they did not fall under Nazi control and eventually rescued everyone else (including Germany) from it. The US did not control any of Europe, though it did have significant influence for a time. The USSR and its new European empire lasted for 40 years. Obviously Germany lost. But if you were assessing the consequences in terms of countries’ economic, political and cultural development then West Germany originally, and Germany as a whole now, might be counted as among the winners.

Cierzo · M

@MartinII Britain and France would have lost their colonies sooner or later, empires are very expensive to keep and both countries were financially exhaust after the war.

Looking at the state of Eastern and Western Europe now, I think Eastern Europe countries were the winners in the long run. They had to suffer decades of atrocious communism, but they were not infected by progressivism and multiculturalism, and they will probably remain Europe instead of becoming Eurabia.

MartinII · 70-79, M

@Cierzo Your first paragraph is what I said. Your second is certainly an interesting perspective, which I am inclined to agree with.