What are some examples in the news you currently see that might make you think we are moving toward and maybe existing within the end times?

@Charity Don't like being questioned....?

Of course manking has always had sense of natural events, known of things like medicinal herbs, but there is no "science" in the Bible. There was never meant to be. It's a set of theological and social ideas, not any sort of text-book. Even its "historical" parts are flakey to say the least - more propaganda than realistic.. It'snot even dated!

I've often wondered about the obvious (tyo us) nonsence of the Genesis myth, including that we are all descended from one unmarried couple and their incestuous children. I think it was meant as a "Year 0" thesis by preist-kings trying to weld a motley assortment of small, Bronze Age tribes into a cohesive society. Obvioulsy they could not have know the geology and palaeontology we started to learn in the late-18C; but they did know their own people's forefathers were from different cultures with different religions, and wanted to replace those beliefs with their new one.

The Hebrews' contemporaries and near neighbours, the Greeks, had established the Earth is spherical although they wrongly placed it at the centre of their peculiar version of the universe.

I though the "uncontacted" were some sort of para-Christian cult - sorry if I was mistaken there.

The claim - and it is widespread, not only yours - that the ancients "knew" as much science as we do now is absurd. If they had, we would see remnants of their sophisticated machines and buildings, and writings about them - we don't because none exist. They were as intelligent as we are, had similar artistic sense, and learrning did flourish among some Asian societies, the Ancient Greeks and early Islam (but stagnated in NW Europe for centuries after the fall of the Roman Empire); but they had nothing like our breadth of knowledge.

I believe in respecting those people, going back for many thousands of years before someone invented the Hebre religion, and respect includes not patronising them by romantic, Daniken-esque notions of their endeavours.

@ArishMell seems as if the conversation will continue. I've always felt once one has made their points going in the further was pointless but being redundant.

I didn't realize you were asking questions, it seemed to me you were making statements giving your beliefs, opinions. Any questions you may have concerning my beliefs please ask.

from what I learned / read ) believe

According to science in the theory of evolution some reports at least one that I have found stated that there was a first humanoid who evolved from the homo erectus in which the Neanderthal is said to evolve the homo erectus from also. The homo erectus evolved from Homo habilis and farther back to the 1st ape like primate that walked upright the Sahelanthropus.

Ancient bones confirm earliest-known human ancestor walked upright https://share.google/qGQrjBEdgrb7X9PEi
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It wasn't necessarily a whole group, can't be proven one way or another. So there was a first. A first male and a first female humanoid. That in itself also incestuous breeding. And because almost all animals have incestuous behavior and dispersal of animals naturally into the wild helps prevent that.

We Don't Like To Admit How Often Animals Mate With Close Relatives | IFLScience https://share.google/1xw427CgNhBdkcIF9
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Biblically the fruit and leaves of the Tree of Life corrected / healed any effects of inbreeding. That is why after man was cast out of the garden and no longer had access to the fruit of the Tree of Life God instructed man not to marry meaning have sex with close relatives such as brother, sister, father, mother, aunt, uncle. There is a lot that the church don't teach because they don't understand, wasn't taught or don't believe Adam had many, many children before Cain and Abel. The church refused to or can't, and don't attempt to explain a few things that's wrote in Genesis concerning where people came from who God told not to harm Cain, considering Cain and Abel were the first to mentioned in the bible being born, yet there were people. The type of healing Tree of Life gave is gone but will return in the new Heaven and new earth. Man was once a vegetarian before the flood.
The Tree of Life #2 ''The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations'' - YouTube https://share.google/3dz9m2zW2XzjWwQ5T

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It is estimated between 5 and 1 BC the Greeks learned / was learning the Earth was not flat but round. That is just over 2,000 years ago -------- the Book of Isaiah was written where Isaiah said God sits upon the circle of the Earth is estimated to be written between 740 and 700 BC the book of Isaiah was written a few hundred years before the Greek started learning that the Earth was round. One must remember the years BC counts backwards.

Ancient Greek Astronomy and Cosmology | Modeling the Cosmos | Articles and Essays | Finding Our Place in the Cosmos: From Galileo to Sagan and Beyond | Digital Collections | Library of Congress https://share.google/AiUJenN1ZcPqnLYT3

Biblical literature - Isaiah, Prophecy, Poetry | Britannica https://share.google/ldlN3bT7ckdAMe70o

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I never indicated or said that the ancients knew as much of what what is referred to as science as we do today, nor do I think anyone else has said they did.

Science of the ancients was totally different than the mechanical technology of today / though some has been found to indicate they did have forms of electricity / they did have working mechanisms / forms of conductors / forms of batteries /

(PDF) Title: " Wireless Electricity from the Gods: The Surprising Link Between Ancient Egypt, Nikola Tesla, and Modern Science" https://share.google/0uk4dqwvR24QaNxoH


Baghdad Batteries | The Engines of Our Ingenuity https://share.google/5qOLrIp09JT5gG6C5

The Ark of the Covenant from an Engineering Perspective – As Simple as Possible https://share.google/jF1cYJcav1AyFdwfr

Gears Drive the World | American Scientist https://share.google/RhyOScXIabppxhxuh

I mentioned earlier Daniels 4:12 tells us in the last days knowledge will increase the highly advanced technology of today was not meant for the people even 300 years ago.
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Isaiah 14:12 KJV their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongues shall consume away in their mouths ----- this is instant destruction of flesh ------ a prophecy made and it seems to be describing nuclear weaponry. Newer Bibles have changed the wording and did so poorly. It takes time to rot away.
Zechariah 14:12 KJV - And this shall be the plague wherewith - Bible Gateway https://share.google/U3dXxcWwwM5Q3sqBm

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Isaiah 60: 8 who are these that fly as a cloud and as the dove to their windows

Is he speaking of modern day airplanes?
They knew what is referred to as angels.

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Nahum 2:3-4 the chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against the other in the broad way, they shall seem like torches they shall run like lightning

Sounds like what we call automobiles, before the 1950s or 60s automobiles released a lot of smoke and in the eyes of the ancients where there's smoke there's fire. And there is no way a chariot could run like lightning, lightning strikes fast and Swift.

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Isaiah 2:9 and they shall go into the holes of the rock, into the caves of the Earth, for fear of the Lord and the glory of his majesty when he arises to shake terribly the Earth.

People will be hiding or trying to hide and there are not enough caves and holes in the Earth, but many people have bomb shelters. Switzerland has over 3, 370,000
Switzerland revamping bunker network amid wars in Ukraine, Mideast - The Washington Post https://share.google/Tf4g7SyeF20inHLlM

Finland has over 50,000 and unreported private amount in the US

Where Are All the Nuclear Bunkers? - Newsweek https://share.google/5hTJNfjvqh4X1UNtG

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Someone Invented the Hebrew religion - Ok........ the Hebrews Trace back to the city of Ur which Abraham was from. The city of Ur was a part of ancient Sumer these days called Mesopotamia and a lot of areas surrounding it.

Yahweh who is the Hebrew name of the God of Abraham was called El / Elohim..... Though never / rarely taught El / Elohim was worshiped by the Canaanites, whom Melchizedek was high priest to, and also king of Salem which was a Canaanite City....... Then the rejected question and similarity is whether El is another name for Enlil / Elil / Ellil a Sumerian God.

Abraham the ""Hebrew"" had connections to both Sumerians and Canaanites. And actually they were all closely related, cousins, as is the entire human race whether belief in scripture or science.

According to scripture the Hebrew God was also the God of the Canaanites. Canaan is the son of Ham, who is the son of Noah going back to Adam ........ According to scripture the Hebrew God is God of all the world and all the cultures of the ancient world......... They all had gods or a god with the same characteristics and was the creator.

The scriptures of the Bible are estimated to be at least 4,000 years old, some say 3,400.

This is a lot of writing. But someone may read it.

@ArishMell I also have a question

You have a read the translations Sumerian writings concerning the war between Enlil and Enki? ...... They had flying crafts ....... And the war that took place was like that of nuclear war and nuclear fallout for a few hundred miles around the area including Sodom and Gomorrah written of in the Bible. No one knows as an absolute where the cities were located, acceptable evidence found as of yet. Similar to that which is written in Scripture concerning Sodom and Gomorrah. A pillar of salt is like white ash.

Ever read the translations of the war between Horace and Seth of the Egyptians? Extremely similar to that of the Sumerians but why wouldn't it be they communicated. Same gods different culture gave them different names.

Then there is the Epic of Gilgamesh the flood - the flood of Noah is very similar to / just reasonings and events corrected by God through the Hebrews.

Just writing this also in response to someone invented the Hebrew scriptures.

@Charity No, I'd not read those Sumerian writings, but I would be very cautious of assuming from our view of the world now, something the original writers did not understand.

The "flying craft" legends occur elsewhere, such as in South America, but what they all have in common is modern opinions on what ancient artwork loosely resembles to modern eyes.

I'm not sure if the "pillar of salt" story has found any logical explanation, but it could have been some natural formation, if not of rock-salt then of some other mineral resembling it.

The "fires" said to been a navigational landmark in Exodus may have been a small eruption from volcanoes now dormant if not extinct, in roughly the right area for it - that hypothesis was proposed a few years ago by a French geologist. While the idea the fleeing Hebrews crossed the Red Sea is very far-fetched because it is very deep - "Reed Sea" more likely, if meaning the permanent marshes between the Rivers Tigris and Euphrates. (If they still exist - Saddam Hussein decided to drain them, perhaps to drive out their indigenous Arabs.) The majority of those who originally translated the Books of the Torah into Greek etc., did so long after the events - the original scrolls themselves likely long post-date them anyway - and never visited the area.


The Flood is plainly absurd if thought something akin to that stupid Waterworld film; but might have originated in unusually severe floods within that part of the Middle East. Floods are quite common, do feature in ancient legends, and just as now, folk-memory tends to exaggerate the bad.

I accused them of inventing particularly the Book of Genesis - which is patently silly if treated literally rather than allegory - possibly for a very specific purpose (part of creating a new society from motley tribes), but that does not preclude using convenient, existing myths for it.

The rest of the "and-God-smote-xxx" stuff seems merely to frighten the flock into obedience. It's hard to think of any other, logical, reason than the simple "politics".

We don't even know when it all happened, within a span of nearly 5000 years BCE, because the most the writers managed was naming characters' parentage: no ages, no dates by year. They seem not to have had a calendar as such, although once they started farming they had to work by the region's seasons.

That whole region was a melting-pot of different cultures, with a lot of mixing and sometimes fighting; so it is hardly surprising the early Hewbrews adopted some of their own and others' ancestral folk-tales for a long time before producing written versions they then declared absolute.


The writings suffered still further in the hands of the Europeans. The Church of Rome dictated that the Bible edition of the Torah and NT be translated and edited into Latin only, and copied from that. Accuracy went out of Scriptoria windows in the hands of monks who knew absolutely nothing about the Middle East and its many cultures, had never been there, likely had a poor understanding of Judaism, and had to follow Church dogma.

Although the Church later allowed vulgate editions, the translating and editing from Latin were not necessarily accurate, partly perhaps because Latin had been a "living-dead" tongue for so long. It was not until King James' specially convened panel of his 17C days' leading theologians and linguists took on producing an English-language version, that there was any attempt at accurate translation from the earliest sources they could find.


(To be fair to those unfortunate monks, Europeans generally were totally ignorant of the Middle East, as we see by Mediaeval and Renaissance paintings' Biblical characters dressed a la mode Rome and Paris. And more seriously, by the self-styled "Crusaders" returning from attacking the early-Muslim world, baffled by finding that culture was considerably more educated and civilised than their own.)

@Charity It would take until the end of the world to read this entire thread.

Someone would ask, "Did the rapture happen?" and another would go, "Oh Jesus done came and went while yu were busy reading that infinitely long post". 😄