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Veterans react to Hegseth’s ‘insulting’ address to generals and admirals.

Defense secretary’s speech touching on physical fitness and doctrine of lethality was seen as ‘egotistical’ and ‘dangerous’

By George Chidi/The Guardian
Wed 1 Oct 2025 06.00 EDT

Naveed Shah, a veteran and activist who served as an enlisted public affairs specialist – an army journalist – uncharacteristically found himself searching for words to describe the address of the newly styled secretary of war to flag officers on Tuesday.

“A lot of the words that are coming to me aren’t fit to print,” said Shah, policy director for Common Defense, a veterans advocacy organization. “The people in that room who have served for 20, 30-plus years in uniform do not need Pete Hegseth to tell them about warrior ethos.”

Hegseth’s hour-long Ted talk-style address touching on physical fitness, the doctrine of lethality and the perils of DEI certainly drew more attention than a policy memo might have, and perhaps more than Donald Trump’s rambling, politically charged hour-long speech that followed.

But the attention came at the cost of respect, said Dana Pittard, a retired army general who commanded soldiers in Iraq and co-author of Hunting the Caliphate.

“I thought it was insulting,” Pittard said of the address, rejecting Hegseth’s assertion that senior officers of color – like himself – had benefitted from a non-existent quota system for promotions.

Online chatter in military groups ahead of the unprecedented, secrecy-shrouded meeting of 800 generals and admirals called to Marine Corps Base Quantico in Virginia had revolved around a demand for some loyalty oath to the administration, or public firings or a declaration of war. Some described it as karmic revenge for decades of mandatory hour-long safety briefings held by unit commanders before dismissing troops for the weekend. Many also wondered if the expensive challenge to security could have been an email.

“Certainly, addressing the troops could be useful or beneficial, but to call 800-plus generals and senior enlisted advisers from around the world into this room just before a government shutdown? It’s not just bad optics or strategy,” Shah said. “A bad cold could have threatened our entire chain of command.”

Pittard said it was well within the authority of a defense secretary to call a meeting of generals, but that the display was “egotistical” and a waste of resources. And Trump’s subsequent comments created “a dangerous, slippery slope … to make it so partisan”, he said.

“He talked about the previous commander in chief, president Biden, and then talked about the ‘enemy within’. That is a dangerous slippery slope to be referring to that to the leaders of the US military. Very dangerous.”

Hegseth’s discussion of physical fitness standards for women in combat roles met a more nuanced response, particularly from women who have served. Hegseth said that women in combat roles would have to meet the same fitness standards as men, including tasks like carrying a body and marching with heavy gear. “If women can make it, excellent. If not, it is what it is,” Hegseth said.

“I’m a fairness advocate and the avenue of approach that I’m able to see is that they’re creating a pathway of fairness,” said Sally Roberts, an Afghanistan war veteran and Team USA world medalist in women’s wrestling who founded Wrestle Like A Girl, which advocates for women’s wrestling opportunities in school and elsewhere.

Roberts said she had not been allowed to serve in some selective units, despite her physical abilities. “I was held back because I didn’t fit the right idea of who they wanted for those particular units or groups, and I feel like this has the opportunity to actually level the playing field for those high performing, high achieving individuals that want to succeed, but have barriers to entry.”

Amy McGrath, a retired Marine pilot and former Senate candidate, described Hegseth’s comments about women as disparaging.

“He claimed the military needs to ‘return to the male standard’ in combat jobs (of 1990!), but here’s the truth: there has never been a separate male and female standard” she wrote on Instagram. “When women entered combat roles, one standard was set, and we’ve been meeting it ever since. You can either do the job or you can’t. Period.”

Tamara Stevens, a former navy cryptological technician, said she found Hegseth’s discussion of “lethality” more alarming than anything else, given the context that Trump provided later with comments about using deployments to American cities as a training ground.

“Basically, he’s saying that we’re no better than Hamas because people are joining because they want to break things and they want to kill people,” she said. “I mean, for anyone that’s been in the military, he’s not qualified to be secretary of defense. He’s barely qualified to be a host on Fox News.

“But to say these things in front of the preeminent generals and admirals leading our military? Has he no honor, to say that we don’t belong in polite society? Maybe he doesn’t.”
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JackDaniels · 46-50, M
You never served did you?
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@JackDaniels Please elaborate a little.
JackDaniels · 46-50, M
@MoveAlong it was a simple question that was not directed at you. He was talking about veterans and I wanted to know if he served.
JSul3 · 70-79
@JackDaniels Let's cut to the point.

What do you consider an unlawful order?
Be specific.
JackDaniels · 46-50, M
@JSul3 Have you served in the military. Yes or no?
JSul3 · 70-79
@JackDaniels No.
My Father served in the Navy in WW2 in the N. Africa Campaign.

During the Vietnam war, I had a high lottery number and was never drafted.

Please answer the question:
What do you consider an unlawful order?
Be specific.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@JackDaniels I know when people ask that question on a forum they have more in mind than just getting a yes or no answer.
JackDaniels · 46-50, M
@JSul3 @MoveAlong my reason for asking was the context of what you were quoting until you have been in a combat situation where all you have is the person beside you. I don’t care if the are male or female, if you can’t carry your weight, I don’t want you carrying a weapon. There are standards for a reason and DEI has nothing to do if you qualify for a job. I spend 21 years serving this country and I didn’t see male or female, black or white. We are all equal until you prove you can’t to the job.

In all my time I was never given an unlawful order and you are not compelled to follow them.

I will be honest, if you have never picked up a weapon to defend this nation I really wish you would not post about things you do not know.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@JackDaniels I served 12 months in the 4th ID in the Central Highlands along the Cambodia and Laotian border. In the two years I was in the Army I never heard the words illegal orders. There were just orders. The orders were the same every mission. Intelligence has confirmed enemy activity. You will be dropped of a 0600. Search and destroy everything on that ridge. Or search and destroy everything in that valley. And that's exactly what we did.

In hindsight I am absolutely certain that we called in artillery or Cobra gunships to take out what I believed then and I believe now were likely civilians. For half of my tour I was a buck sergeant and squad leader. I did not know I or our RTO could have gone to the CO and said "sir, I believe they may be civilians maybe we should get confirmation."

The point is the rules of engagement were established for a reason. For the most part we didn't really follow any rules. I hardly knew any existed. Based on my experience the rules of engagement (that I now understand) should to be modified. Trump and Hegseth are making a huge mistake.

As far as women in combat roles. Heg probably had no idea that they already have to meet the same standards as men."The military needs to return to the male standard" were his words. It sounded extremely sexist and is just added more confirmation that the Administration is sexist, racist, homophobic and chauvinistic.

I wish you guys would wake up and see it is not just the left that is losing our country. It is all of us.
The entire bunch who are in power are morons who have no business holding positions of power.
JSul3 · 70-79
@JackDaniels Jackie, I posted an article and provided the source.
You will need to pose your question to the author of the piece, George Chidi.

I usually note my personal comments apart from the OP article.

I have no issues with standards.

I'm sure Amy McGrath and Tammy Duckworth passed the necessary standards for combat. Don't you think?

One more time, please answer the question:
What do you consider an unlawful order? Be specific.

Millions of Americans have served our country and never ever picked up a gun.

Trump is the enemy within, as are those that sit in complicit silence to him.
JackDaniels · 46-50, M
@JSul3 you are entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong. I said I don’t care what sex you are, if you can do the job fine. If not they can be replaced. I answered your question, I don’t play what ifs. I gave orders and I took orders.
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