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Food for thought in lieu of a recent shooting in Utah.

"But there is nowhere in the Bible where we are taught to honor evil.

And how you die, does not redeem how you lived.

You do not become a hero in your death when you were a weapon of the enemy in your life.

I can abhor the violence that took your life but I do not have to honor the life you chose to live.

I am overwhelmed."

Rev. Dr. Howard-John Wesley

Edit:
At the time I was not aware of the complete comments made by the Reverend.
I have since found a more complete version of what he said during his Sunday sermon, and here it is.

“I do not celebrate the killing of anyone. Charlie Kirk did not deserve to be assassinated, he started. “But I’m overwhelmed seeing the flags of the United States of America at half-staff, calling this nation to honor and venerate a man who was an unapologetic racist and spent all of his life sowing seeds of division and hate into this land. And hearing people with selective rage, who are mad about Charlie Kirk, but didn’t give a damn about Melissa Hortman and her husband when they were shot down in their home.”

“And do not tell me I ought to have compassion for the death of a man who had no respect for my own life! I am sorry. But there’s nowhere in Bible where we are taught to honor evil. And how you die does not redeem how you lived,” shouted Rev. Wesley to raucous applause.

“You do not become a hero in your death when you are a weapon of the enemy in your life. I’m overwhelmed daily, by the historical lies of the narrative of white supremacy and the nation that caters to white guilt and forces me to prove the equality of my Blackness every day. I am overwhelmed listening to the voices of those who think they have this singular right to define and determine who belongs in America and who is an American, when it was my forefathers and my foremothers who built this land. I am overwhelmed.”

“I’m overwhelmed. Overwhelmed with ICE raids and Klan rallies, and threats against the Smithsonian, and corporations backing off of DEI and executive orders and Supreme Court rulings. I’m overwhelmed by folk who call themselves Christian, simply because they invoke the name Jesus and quote scripture from the Old Testament, but never loved like Jesus, never tried to live like Jesus, never applied the sermon on the mount, bear no fruit of the Spirit. I am overwhelmed!”
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houseonfire · 56-60, M
That man may call himself a reverent but that is just a title. He made that statement in regard to Charlie's shooting. If you will take time and ever listen to Charlie, you would often hear him tell people that he could defend his point from a moral standpoint and a Biblical perspective. When Charlie spoke of abortion and trans, to mention a few, he was doing it to warn people of the consequences of their actions. This man calls himself Reverent but is not standing on Biblical standards he is calling Charlie evil for pointing out that there are consequences for our actions. He is basically saying that if I am a smoker and my doctor tells me I need to quit smoking or i will die I can call my doctor evil and a weapon of the enemy. He is what this so-called Reverend needs to understand. Charlie preached forgiveness in Jesus Christ. Charlie was pointing out what evil makes what is right wrong and what is wrong right and he was killed for it. However, Charlie's beliefs are summed up in this statement, if Charlie's killer were to ask for forgiveness and accept Jesus Christ as his savior, God would forgive him and welcome him to eternity in heaven upon his death and Charlie Kirk would hug him and welcome him to eternity with Christ. How wonderful was the truth of Charlie's message that Evil feels the need to silince it and distort it. Misery loves company and the lie!
SpudMuffin · 61-69, M
@houseonfire so you can do whatever you want as long as you love Jesus?
houseonfire · 56-60, M
@SpudMuffin Your question does not even make sense but allow me to help you. I do not care if you are talking about Jesus or your wife, girlfriend, mother neighbor whoever. If you truly understood what love is and just do not think it is a verb. You will understand that when you love someone you often do things to show your love for that person. As a child you obey your parents out of love. If you marry you often laydown your own wants and desires for the good of your partner. When you truly love someone, you love sacrificially. If one is a follower of Christ, one believes that Christ came to earth as a baby to grow into a man to go to a cross to be the sacrificial lamb to pay for the sins of the world. If one confesses belief in Jesus Christ and believes he died on a cross and rose from the dead and ask for forgiveness of sin he becomes a Christ follower. Just because one becomes a Christ follower, they do not become perfect they become forgiven. As a follower of Christ your love for him grows as you grow in your understanding of what he has done for you grows. Your life then shows that love. This said one could ask the question how many times do we hurt the ones we love with poor actions or words. We all fail but we ask forgiveness and strive to be better. So, to answer your question no you cannot do whatever you want as long as you love Jesus because if you truly loved Jesus, you would do things to honor him as you do anybody you love and the times you screwed up you would ask for forgiveness and have true repentance. As i stated earlier the real testimony of this is as a believer in Jesus Christ and as a follower of God one has to believe that all can be forgiven if they truly believe and repent. That said if Charlie Kirks killer was to come to Christ confess his sins and ask God to forgive him and believe in Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection then that man could be forgiven and as a follower of Christ one day spent eternity in heaven with the very man he killed. Wrap your mind around that and you will see why Charlie Kirk was willing to die for what he believed in.
SpudMuffin · 61-69, M
@houseonfire I don't know how I can make this any clearer for you. Do you believe that anyone can be 'saved' if they convert to christianity?
houseonfire · 56-60, M
@SpudMuffin that is the whole point of Christianity
SpudMuffin · 61-69, M
@houseonfire ok. So it doesn't matter what they've done, anyone can be saved, even if they've done really bad things?
JSul3 · 70-79
@houseonfire Many have killed others in the name of The Almighty....just saying.

You are free to ignore much of the hateful rhetoric spewed by the late Mr. Kirk, but I and many others will not
houseonfire · 56-60, M
Corrie tin boom author, and public speaker and holocaust survivor said it far better than I ever could when she shook the hand of a man at one of her speaking engagements. The man came up to her after her speech and told her that he was German and was a guard at Ravensbrück concentration camp where Corrie's family had died and she was a prisoner. He told her he had accepted Jesus Christ as his savior and knew that God had forgiven him and recognizing her, he wanted to know if she could forgive him. She paused she said because she wanted to say no but she felt a peace come over her and she said as God has forgiven you so do I. The man wept and they hugged. The man experienced forgiveness and Corrie experienced the joy of forgiving.
SpudMuffin · 61-69, M
@houseonfire so if I became a christian I would go to heaven, where I would meet people who had committed genocide? Maybe even Hitler himself?
JSul3 · 70-79
@houseonfire That man was not a Charlie Kirk who spewed divisive rhetoric.
@houseonfire Um no. Charlie was just someone who was a merchant of hate and division. Charlie was the exact opposite of the example Christ provided.
houseonfire · 56-60, M
@JSul3 You my friend are blinded to the truth and nothing i can say will take those blinders off. You now see what is right is wrong and what is wrong in right and for me to tell you other wise is a waist of time just hope someday the scales come off and you see clearly again.
houseonfire · 56-60, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow and your examples would be.
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houseonfire · 56-60, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Here is an example for you to use when quoting something so people will believe what you say. On Sunday November the 19th 2023 Democratic Rep. Dan Goldman made incendiary remarks about former President Donald Trump during an interview with MSNBC’s Jen Psaki. Rep Goldman said the following: “His rhetoric is really getting dangerous, more and more dangerous,” (referring to Trump) “Now, and his recent True Social post, it’s incredibly, incredibly scary for anyone that might be trying to work in government.” "It is just unquestionable at this point that that man cannot see public office again. He is not only unfit; he is destructive to our democracy, and he has to be eliminated.”

Now I could say from this statement that Rep Goldman was speaking in such a way that a mental ill person might say he is calling for the president to be killed. All you said was typed something you heard that was not true but you believed it because you wanted to and you said Charlie Kirk said this and i hate him for it. Did he really say it. Do you have proof he said it. Are you using the words in the context that there were used.

You talk about evil people. AOC said from the floor today that Charlie had the right to die for what he said, and she would never honor him but only denounce the use of force.

See anybody can play this game. Talk truth and the truth will set you free.
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@houseonfire Not my problem you want to change the subject because his own words contradicts your whitewashing fake martyr BS.
houseonfire · 56-60, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow The dark never likes the light that is truly understood when you shine the light on the left!!!!!
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