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'The red line is going to be when the president orders our military to start firing on demonstrators. That’s when all hell is going to break loose.”

Trump's 'quick reaction force' is a foray into dark new territory.
Why a retired general is alarmed by Trump's latest executive order.


Aug. 29, 2025, 5:00 AM CDT
By Zeeshan Aleem, MSNBC Opinion Writer/Editor

President Donald Trump signed an ominous executive order Monday that calls for a sweeping reorientation of the National Guard around domestic policing. Particularly alarming is Trump’s order that the secretary of defense create a “quick reaction force” within the National Guard for “rapid nationwide deployment” as part of a broader effort at “quelling civil disturbances and ensuring the public safety.” While it’s not clear exactly what form such a force would take, Trump appears to be making an extraordinary attempt to amass autocratic power by misusing the military for policing.

The National Guard, a part of the U.S. armed forces, is primarily used to provide manpower for U.S. military operations abroad and help states respond to natural disasters such as hurricanes, forest fires and pandemics. More rarely the National Guard may be called upon to conduct “civil disturbance operations” and support law enforcement to deal with exceptional social disorder, such as when the guard was activated in many states during riots after police murdered George Floyd in 2020.

'"The red line is going to be when the president orders our military to start firing on demonstrators. That’s when all hell is going to break loose.”
retired Major General Randy Manner

Trump wants the “civil disturbance” to become a focal point of the National Guard. Part of Monday’s executive order directs the National Guard in every state to be trained to help federal and state law enforcement with “quelling civil disturbances and ensuring the public safety and order whenever the circumstances necessitate.” Typically governors decide if and how much the National Guard in their state will be trained for civil disturbance, but Trump has the authority to issue this broad directive. We don't know the details of how training regimens will change, but the broad takeaway is that Trump wants the National Guard spending less time training for deployment abroad — and more time training for deployment domestically as a potential policing power.

Lindsay Cohn, a visiting professor at Columbia’s School of International and Public Affairs, speaking in her personal capacity, told me in an interview that Trump’s executive order represents a “big change.”

“Maybe before they might have prioritized training for an Afghanistan-style mission abroad. Now they will be training for civil disturbance operations at home,” Cohn said. “It doesn’t mean no one will be training for the Afghanistan-type mission. But it does mean a reprioritization.”

The most eye-catching part of Trump’s agenda to crack down on what he deems civil disturbances seems to be his call for the formation of that “quick reaction force” that can be sent anywhere in the country.

“It’s likely designed to ensure that whatever units they decide to use are fully trained and ready to deploy more quickly than they would normally be,” John Dehn, a professor at Loyola University Chicago, told me. “If they wait to identify the units until the need arises, they have to then train the units and go through all the different paperwork hurdles that they need to get those units on to where they need to be.”

An Aug. 12 Washington Post report provided clues as to what a quick reaction force might look like. That report was based on a review of internal Pentagon documents, marked “predecisional,” discussing plans for a “Domestic Civil Disturbance Quick Reaction Force.” According to the Post, that plan, as described in the documents, “calls for 600 troops to be on standby at all times so they can deploy in as little as one hour.”

I called up retired Maj. Gen. Randy Manner, who has overseen domestic operations at the No. 2 position in the National Guard and also overseen combat operations as the deputy commanding general of all Army forces in the Middle East. He was alarmed, to put it lightly.

“Why the heck are we using armed, uniform military against our own population? This is absurd,” he said. “It’s not the proper use of the military, and we should not go there. We need to invest in law enforcement if what we want to do is reduce crime.”

So far, Trump has used deceptive claims about crime and disorder as a pretext for deploying the National Guard in Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., and is threatening to do so in Chicago. Trump sees the National Guard as a tool for testing the scope of executive power. He sees it as an instrument for repressing and intimidating people in cities he whimsically deems dangerous and which are run by political opponents. He's pushing it into uncharted territory — organizationally, politically and legally.

Some of the experts I spoke to for this article emphasized a particular concern about Trump deploying National Guard troops around the 2026 election and depressing turnout by intimidating potential voters. There are also concerns that the quick reaction force could evolve into an armed loyalist cadre who enforce Trump’s despotic agenda with force against civilians.

“The red line is going to be when the president orders our military to start firing on demonstrators. That’s when all hell is going to break loose,” Manner said.

Even if it never gets to that point, the country is already entering deeply anti-democratic territory. “Shouldn’t the concept of having the U.S. military on the streets of our cities alarm every single human being in the United States?” Manner asked. “Military, who are trained to kill people — and they’re not trained in law enforcement — on our streets. This should scare the crap out of every single person in the country."

Manner is right. A major theme of Trump’s political project has been to reject the idea that the U.S. military should be used to nation-build abroad. Instead, he's trying to use the military to tear down the principles and rules that this nation has long held dear.



Zeeshan Aleem is a writer and editor for MSNBC Daily. Previously, he worked at Vox, HuffPost and Politico, and he has also been published in, among other places, The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Nation, and The Intercept.
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ninalanyon · 61-69, T
What worries me is not what Trump is trying to do but the suspicion that everyone will simply sigh with relief when his term ends. But that should just be the beginning of the process of amending your constitution to properly limit the powers of the president and to ensure that the courts are apolitical.

And that will require more willpower and cooperation in Congress than has been available for many years.

I suspect that that as has happened in many other countries the new administration will decry the behaviour of the preceding one but because the precedent is useful to them will do nothing to prevent themselves doing just the same.
@ninalanyon Dem, GOP, Dem GOP, Dem GOP and no socialism! Americans deserve credit for everything they do; but they blame others!
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
It hasn't reached the point yet but there are ways to push against this. One of the best ways is a general strike by workers. Bring a slowdown or halt to commerce and the money behind Trump's and his cohorts in congress begins to dry up. And it doesn't require the whole country to go on strike. 20-25% of the workforce will be enough be bring chaos to the economy, when the economy suffers the politicians in power begin to lose their grip.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@MoveAlong Great idea. If America was unionized like many european nations. Otherwise that quick reaction force will just plough through picket lines to allow the people hungry enough to want to work anyplace (and America has enough of them) to pass through..😷
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@whowasthatmaskedman Don't be so sure i6t can't happen in Europe. After all it has happened before. See https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/trade-unions-and-nazi-germany/
Just months after Hitler was appointed Chancellor, he took the decision to end trade unions in Nazi Germany. On May 2nd, 1933, police units occupied all trade unions headquarters and union officials and leaders were arrested. The funds that belonged to the trade unions – effectively this was workers money – were confiscated. However, Hitler had to be careful. He had only been in power for a few months and there were many members of the working class he had to deal with. If the working class movement in Germany organised itself, it would have presented the new Chancellor with a lot of major issues that would have to be dealt with. Removing trade union leaders helped this but it did not fully guarantee that the working class would ‘behave’ itself. Hitler had to offer the workers something more. Hitler announced that the German Labour Force, headed by Robert Ley, would replace all trade unions and would look after the working class. The title was chosen carefully. The new organisation was deliberately cloaked in patriotism, as it was now a German entity as was seen in its title. The working class was now a ‘labour force’. The Nazi Party did all that it could to ensure the workers felt that they were better off under the guidance of the Nazi Party via the German Labour Front.

In the UK we already have restrictions on the right to strike in the form of the Strikes_(Minimum Service Levels) Act 2023
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikes_(Minimum_Service_Levels)_Act_2023

It or parts of it should be repealed this year but what if Reform gain power next time?
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon I recognise it and see the trend in Europe. I just dont see it as prominent as in Americas gig economy and labor force of undocumented labor.. Although recent migration patterns in to Europe may have changed that.😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
The General is right of course. '"The red line is going to be when the president orders our military to start firing on demonstrators. That’s when all hell is going to break loose.”
retired Major General Randy Manner
However, it will be too late then. The white house will describe the demonstrators as looters or criminals to cover it And the military will be cleared and there will be fewer demonstraters next time. Rinse and repeat..The states and the courts and the Federal government are corrupted now. The media is coopted or tame. And trump single handedly turned any potential foreigh supporters against America (ie. Canada or Mexico) The time to stop this is pretty much past. Even if trump were assassinated tomorrow, he would only be replaced by Stephen Millers boy Vance, who would have the perfect excuse for a "crackdown to restore order" and its over..😷
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@whowasthatmaskedman I'm astonished by the ease with which america abandoned its democracy, and even more astonished that they are telling themselves to sit on the couch and wait (has the game started yet?) because there are 'checks and balances' and besides maybe it'll be good for america and besides we can always vote them out...
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 Yes. Americans were sold a bill of goods about their own superiority, which may have been partially true in the 50s and 60s, with the moon landings as a crown. But the money got in a ruined the very thing that made them great, and sedated them with a false reality. The world has been weaned off it, thank goodness for trump (and who thought I would ever say that?) And now we watch the slow motion trainwreck from a safe distance hopefully..😷
Thrust · 56-60, M
Like your Ozulu didn't want a civilian force (inevitably all Black Panther criminals)?
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
It seems like that is only a matter of time.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
You mean, when the militairy actually starts shooting...

SOURCE: https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/mark-esper-book-trump-protesters
No, if your lives mattered in the Idiocracy you'd have gun control. Fire away, open season! The poor and elderly half off and everyone must go!
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