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Exactly how show illlegal aliens should be treated legally in the US

A SW friend provided by with an excellent link to a Duke 2012 research article on this topic.

Publication Date
2012

Abstract
The writ of habeas corpus and the right to due process have long been linked together, but their relationship has never been more unsettled or important. Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, the United States detained hundreds of suspected terrorists who later brought legal challenges using the writ. In the first of the landmark Supreme Court cases addressing those detentions, Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, the plurality chiefly relied on the Due Process Clause to explain what procedures a court must follow. Scholars assumed due process would govern the area. Yet in Boumediene v. Bush, the Court did not take the due process path and instead held that the Suspension Clause extended habeas corpus process to noncitizen detainees at Guant ´ anamo Bay. Boumediene correctly grounded the analysis in the Suspension Clause, not the Due Process Clause. The Court held that the Suspension Clause demands a traditional habeas process, simply asking whether the detention is legally and factually authorized. This view challenges the set of standards that judges currently use in executive detention cases and also has implications for domestic habeas; it could ground innocence claims in the Suspension Clause. More broadly, this Suspension Clause theory reflects commonalities in the structure of statutes and case law regulating habeas corpus across its array of applications to executive detention and postconviction review. Habeas review now plays a far more central role in the complex regulation of detention than scholars predicted, because habeas review does not depend on underlying due process rights. A judge instead focuses on whether a detention is authorized. As a result, habeas review can inversely play its most crucial role when prior process is inadequate. Put simply, the Suspension Clause can ensure that habeas corpus begins where due process ends.

Citation
Brandon L. Garrett, Habeas Corpus and Due Process, 98 Cornell Law Review 47-126 (2012)

https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/3856/

Excellent research. The habeas procedure fills in many gaps including illegal aliens. It prevents illegal aliens from having no rights but not the same exact rights US citizens. All rights be they due process or habeas require notice. That is the issue in these illegals alien situations. Whether they received notice of habeas rights. That’s why the SCOTUS put a pause of the illegal alien evictions, to find out whether a procedure exists for notice of habeas rights and also for courts to have procedures where an illegal alien might contend receiving no habeas notice. The USSR now Russia and China and others provide zero rights hence the Brittany Greiner and other hostage situations such as Hamas as well. We are more human like so we provide the habeas procedure to illegal aliens. They certainly do not merit the exact same due process rights as US citizens


HATS OFF TO @trollslayer for clearing this up
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
I have no problem with these deportation actions as long as:
1) it does not infringe upon the rights of citizens or legal residents.
2) people are made aware and understand they can challenge their detainment.
3) detainees are treated humanely
4) the tactics used to arrest people are not illegal (entrapment, racial profiling, etc)

I personally know someone whose rights were violated, and I have read many accounts of #s 2-4 not being met.

And feeling the need to compare the USA to Russia or China sets the bar very low, and adds to the argument that Trump is making the USA worse, not better.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
What’s True:

Undocumented immigrants have due process rights.

Fact: The U.S. Supreme Court has affirmed that all "persons" on U.S. soil—including undocumented immigrants—are protected by the Due Process Clauses of the 5th and 14th Amendments. This is well-established in cases like Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) and Plyler v. Doe (1982).

Habeas corpus applies to undocumented immigrants.

Fact: Undocumented immigrants can file habeas corpus petitions to challenge unlawful detention. This has been affirmed in multiple federal court cases.

What’s Misleading or Incorrect:

“They don’t have the same rights as citizens.”

Clarification: True in limited contexts (e.g., voting, re-entry after deportation, some benefits), but not true for core constitutional rights like due process, equal protection, and access to courts.

Saying they "certainly do not merit" the same due process is a value judgment, not a legal standard.

“All rights require notice.”

Partly True: Yes, procedural due process requires notice and an opportunity to be heard. But the burden is on the government to ensure this, and immigrants must be notified of proceedings like deportation hearings. If they aren’t, courts may intervene.

SCOTUS pause on "illegal alien evictions.”

This part is vague. If they’re referring to immigration cases where SCOTUS paused removals (like the M.V.P. v. Garland or Thuraissigiam decisions), those were about specific procedural or statutory issues, not blanket “evictions.” The language is imprecise and oversimplified.

Comparison to USSR, Russia, China, Hamas.

Irrelevant and emotionally loaded. U.S. constitutional law isn’t based on comparison with authoritarian regimes. The reference to Brittany Griner and hostage situations confuses criminal law, civil liberties, and foreign policy in a misleading way
trollslayer · 46-50, M
You’re welcome.
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Name calling does not make you non wrong A USUAL @jshm2
MarineBob · 61-69, M
Do they have the money to reimburse my my courts time
A habeas case isn’t long. We can pay for that. Not the same treatment as a US citizen should receive. @MarineBob
MarineBob · 61-69, M
@jackjjackson is the judge and prosecutor working at a reduced rate, a discount on clerks and electricity
It’s a brief procedure and worth the cost. Trust me. @MarineBob
Illegal plans to pretend you didn't know about universal rights. Stop the lies, first.
If you have a point please write it clearly. While u review that assuming you’re a persona of integrity and do so please chew on this:

https://similarworlds.com/news/5280982-MSNBC-host-Symone-Sanders-Townsend-warned-on-Saturday-that

@Roundandroundwego
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So you’re incapable of sensible civil dialogue. Got it. I’ll read that if you do it. @Roundandroundwego
Wouldn’t it be nice if all well meaning people were willing to listen to and or read what others have said or written, take the time to comprehend it and communicate civilly with the goal of reaching the correct conclusion satisfying all and very interested in the overall good for all of society.

Interesting one of our MSNBC friends, Symone Sanders - Townsend stated on Saturday

MSNBC host Symone Sanders-Townsend warned on Saturday that "people of color" will be "next" after the Trump administration deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

On "The Weekend" Saturday, Sanders-Townsend discussed Abrego Garcia's case with her guests, Michael Steele and Rep. Glen Ivey, D-Md., and cautioned that the Trump administration's deportation efforts wouldn't end with illegal immigrants. "Because if they can do it to them, if they can snatch students off the street without any pushback or recourse, they will do it to any of us," she added. "To be very clear, it’s going to be the people of color, and vulnerable communities that are next in line."


You and I know that none or that is remotely true and that statement was falsely made to engender politically motivated fear mongering. Why do people paid and given MSM air time to do such a thing?
Wouldn’t it be nice if all well meaning people were willing to listen to and or read what others have said or written, taken the time to comprehend it and communicate civilly with the goal of reaching the correct conclusion satisfying all and very interested in the overall good for all of society.

Interesting one of our MSNBC friends, Symone Sanders - Townsend state on Saturday

MSNBC host Symone Sanders-Townsend warned on Saturday that "people of color" will be "next" after the Trump administration deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

On "The Weekend" Saturday, Sanders-Townsend discussed Abrego Garcia's case with her guests, Michael Steele and Rep. Glen Ivey, D-Md., and cautioned that the Trump administration's deportation efforts wouldn't end with illegal immigrants. "Because if they can do it to them, if they can snatch students off the street without any pushback or recourse, they will do it to any of us," she added. "To be very clear, it’s going to be the people of color, and vulnerable communities that are next in line."

You and I know that none or that is remotely true and that statement was falsely made to engender politically motivated fear mongering. Why do people paid and given MSM air time to do such a thing?

 
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