Christian mother and daughter shot dead by Israeli sniper in church ground.

@LeopoldBloom More excuses for war crimes and genocide.

The only one presenting a different standard is you who basically seem to think Israel can do whatever it wants without consequence.


What looks bad is you running defense for genocide and persecution cosplaying for the aggressor.

@LeopoldBloom This is a massacre, not a war.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Then shouldn't Hamas surrender? They have no hope of victory, so why are they prolonging the agony of the Palestinian people? It would be like the Japanese government after Hiroshima and Nagasaki refusing to surrender and calling for the Allies to mount a land invasion of the Japanese mainland.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Israel is the only country in the world whose right to exist is questioned. And they are still held to a higher standard. I don't hear any of the people chanting "from the river to the sea" (a call for the genocide of Jews) complaining equally loudly over the deaths of half a million Arabs at the hands of the Assad government in Syria. No one is saying Syria shouldn't exist.

@LeopoldBloom Dude. Quit pretending this has fuck all to do with Hamas. You just parrot anything Bibi says without any thought.

And tell me without telling me you have no idea how insurgencies work.


It is also telling that you pick random examples from history that have nothing to do with anything.

@LeopoldBloom And more pretending that a fascist, far right theocratic ethno state are the real victims.


You are right. They are held to a different standard but not like you think. They are held to no standard and no consequences thanks to your government where literal genocide is excused and covered for.


And I see you still parrot that lie that that chant is about genocide. And yes that is a lie.


Quit pretending Zionism and Judaism are synonyms.



And if we are playing irrelevant whataboutisms. How is your liberal interventionist project in Libya working out?


I hope the Bibi government is paying you well for your garbage gaslighting. How much does one's integrity go for these days?

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow How much is the Iranian government paying you to post on here? You've certainly absorbed their propaganda thoroughly.

You only have a problem with "ethnostates" because you've bought into the lie that Israel is one. 20% of the population is Arab. What percentage of MENA is Jewish? I'll help you out. There are 15,000 Jews in the entire MENA outside of Israel, down from close to a million in 1948, but only Israel is guilty of "ethnic cleansing." I'm sure you justify that with "well, the Arabs were entitled to kick out the Jews because they were so upset that Israel still existed."

@LeopoldBloom The only propaganda here is the IDF talking points from you.

Israel is an ethno state. Such things like genocide are not dictated by your feelings.

Whites were not a majority in Rhodesia either. What is your point?

And your whataboutisms don't change anything.

Words still have definitions.

And Israel and Iran have more in common than you will ever admit.

Both are theocracies but Israel decided to add Apartheid to that. Makes sense why they were so chummy with Rhodesia and South Africa.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow If you're against ethnostates, then you should be against a Palestinian state, which will be far more ethnically uniform than Israel is right now. Or they get a pass because they're not Jewish?

Genocide has a definition. You're welcome to make up your own definition, but no one else is obligated to accept it. You remind me of the anti-abortion fanatics who regularly bleat about "baby murder" even though ZEFs aren't "babies" and abortion isn't "murder." But it's so much fun to use big words for their emotional effect.

Israel is not a "theocracy" by any stretch of the imagination. I know you like to make up your own definitions, but Israel's government is secular and the Knesset has both Jewish and Muslim members. According to you, the US must be a "theocracy" because the President is a Catholic.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Are you also opposed to the existence of any other countries with an official state religion? This would include most of the MENA and many sub-Saharan and European countries.

Here's my post with the official definition of genocide by the man who invented the word. Of course, what did he know.

https://similarworlds.com/culture-race/genocide/4895439-Definition-of-Genocide-The-term-genocide-was-coined-by

The official definition of apartheid refers to the oppression of one race by another. Since Israeli Jews and Palestinians are the same race, it's not "apartheid." Arab Israeli citizens have the same rights as Israeli Jews, so they don't live under "apartheid" either. You just like the word because it's insulting. You remind me of the anti-abortion people who are always saying "abortion is baby murder" even though ZEFs aren't "babies" and abortion isn't treated like "murder" even in many places where it's illegal. But who cares about word meanings when it's more fun to butcher them?

It's not antisemitic to criticize Netanyahu and the Israeli government. It is antisemitic to deny only Jews the right to self-determination.

@LeopoldBloom Umm no. Because they are not all theocracies. Unlike Israel you don't have second or 3rd class citizenship based on your religious affiliation.


And now you are straight up lying. Sure apartheid applied to race in Rhodesia and South Africa but it does not exclusively extend to race in international law.


[quote Arab Israeli citizens have the same rights as Israeli Jews, s][/quote] That is a lie and Palestinians have even less rights even though Israel has decided that Palestinians are subjects of the Israeli state.



Now you are lying about my intentions.


And it is hilarious you chose that phrasing because according to Israeli law ONLY Jewish Israelis have a right to self determination. 😂


Oh and on the other thread I explain why your claims about genocide are dishonest and frankly idiotic since according to your arbitrarily requirements the Holocaust would not qualify as a genocide.

What a clown.

@LeopoldBloom To clarify "race" as defined by the 2002 Rome Statute is more encompassing than the colloquial definition or how it was defined in places like Rhodesia and extends to ethnic groups and nationality. So as usual you are wrong again.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow West Bank Palestinians are not Israeli citizens. If Israel annexes the West Bank, then they will be entitled to citizenship and representation in the Knesset, same as Israeli Arabs have today.

"Race" was redefined specifically to change the meaning of "apartheid" so it could be applied to Israel. Strangely, it's never used to describe the US during the Jim Crow and segregation eras, even though it fit perfectly. It's also never applied to anywhere today other than Israel. Of course, that's not antisemitic. Everyone knows the only antisemites are barefoot, drooling Klansmen with flies buzzing around their heads. Applying pejoratives to Israel while excusing other countries that are doing the same thing, like China's treatment of the Uyghurs or Myanmar's treatment of the Rohingya isn't antisemitic.

@LeopoldBloom I said Palestinians are treated as subjects, not citizens. You proved my point for me. And Israeli law literally says Israeli Arabs, or even Christians in Israel do not have the same rights.



And now you are claiming international law is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Your feelings on international law are irrelevant. You seem under the impression that international law is determined by your personal feelings.


According to you anyone who is not a Bibi bootlicker is an antisemite including anti Zionist Jews by your own arguments.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Criticizing Israel is not antisemitic. Holding it to unique standards applied to no other country is antisemitic.

What rights do Israeli Arabs and Christians in Israel not have? All I can think of is Israeli Arabs can't hold top military posts, and Christians aren't allowed to proselytize. But both groups have representation in the Knesset, something Jews don't have in the legislature of any MENA country.

The UN is anti-Israel. They routinely condemn Israel for the same things they give a pass to the Arab countries for.

@LeopoldBloom You say that but you accuse anyone who criticizes Israel of being an anti semite. So those are meaningless words from you.


And nobody is holding them to unique standards. That is a straight up lie. But we know you need to pretend Israel and Zionism as a whole are victims because that is the basis for justifying the atrocities and never being responsible for any of their actions.


Again, maybe educate yourself on the bare minimums. Not my problem if you have no idea what you are talking about. What does or doesn't happen in other countries is totally irrelevant.

But I guess again I have to educate you. According to Israeli law Israeli Jews have the exclusive right to self determination. That is a pretty big omission don't you think? And I am guessing that doesn't include Ethiopian Jews they "accidentally" forgot to inform that they were sterilizing them.


And again you have to play the victim on behalf of your buddy Bibi.

You are really really determined to be on the wrong side of history here.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I don't accuse anyone who criticizes Israel of being antisemitic. It's not antisemitic to criticize Netanyahu, or the Israeli government, or their settlement policy. It is antisemitic to say that Israel shouldn't exist, or that Palestinians are entitled to complete control of "the river to the sea," or use "Zionist" as a synonym for "Jew." Or to accuse Israel of "apartheid," "genocide," "ethnic cleansing," or "colonialism" while giving a pass to every other country that actually engages in those actions.

Your turning the Palestinians into helpless martyrs infantilizes them and is nothing more than an expression of your simplistic "white people bad, brown people good" ideology, where so-called "white" people are pure evil, while so-called "brown people" are saints.

Since we're cherry-picking the sins of a few Israelis to tar the whole, why do you support Hamas when they throw gay men off buildings? Why are you a homophobe?

@LeopoldBloom Actually you do. Myself and anyone who doesn't tow the line of Bibi and company.


And now you are just claiming everyone who dares disagree with you and Bibi is misusing half the English language.


You are the one essentially claiming the Israeli government have and deserve a monopoly on all use of language.



And no. Don't accuse me of your colonial mentality. You have made it clear you don't consider anyone but Jewish Israelis human.




And of course now you have to finish off with claiming I support Hamas (which I never have at any point) and in doing so woke washing the IDF.

I guess genocide is okay as long as Tel Aviv has gay clubs. You are a joke.


Try reading something instead of getting all your info from the IDF Tik Tok account.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I keep saying I don't support Netanyahu and think he should have been kicked out of office already.

Do you support Trump because he repeats Nazi talking points? Or he's suspect because his daughter is Jewish? Calling me a Netanyahu supporter makes as much sense as calling you a Trump supporter. It's possible to oppose Israeli policy while not calling for Israel's destruction.

@LeopoldBloom Because you are lying. All of your posts on this subject have been about blind bootlicking of Bibi and the rest of hist far right gang.


That is clearly a lie because you are determined to justify his war crimes.

I don't go around blindly pushing pro Trump propaganda and gaslighting everyone about Trump. There is a difference.


Calling you a Bibi supporter makes sense because your entire post history on this subject has been nothing but total support for a war criminal.

@LeopoldBloom You don't oppose any of his policies. That is the point. So quit pretending you are not one of his fanboys.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Do you oppose any of Hamas' policies?

@LeopoldBloom Again I am not the one supporting extremists and mass murder and making excuses for genocide. That is all you.

You are desperately trying to pretend I support Hamas.

Because to liberal Zionists like you anyone who doesn't support the Zionist reactionaries in genocide are all terrorists and antisemites.

And what have become very clear is the only difference between the far right and liberal zionists like yourself is your position is basically.

"genocide is fine because Tel Aviv has gay bars and girls can participate in occupation too." Nevermind the rampant sexism in the IDF or the fact that gay marriage is illegal in your Liberal apartheid paradise.

But people like you are not too worried about details.


By your logic anyone who so much as criticizes the Uk's history in Ireland supports bombings in London.

I have never said anything in support of Hamas. I have called you out when you straight up lie about them like you lie about everything else.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You've literally supported Russia's genocidal war in Ukraine. Unless you changed your mind.

Should Israel exist? Yes or no.