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graphite · 61-69, M
Like I said, Democrats' DoJ has its work cut out for it exonerating Biden for taking classified documents with no authority to declassify and leaving them laying around all over the place for years, while prosecuting Trump for having secured documents, with the ability to declassify, for a few months. Going to be tough.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
doesn't he have to fill out a form, so others know these are now declassified, and can have access to them.
if you declassify them only in your imagination, what's the point? and how do you prove it?
trump had 11,000 pages. he declassified stuff (in his imagination) that he never read, apparently.
still, this doesn't seem to be much different than our senile 80 year old president forgetting he even took classified docs without permission, and leaving them around in about a dozen locations.
if you declassify them only in your imagination, what's the point? and how do you prove it?
trump had 11,000 pages. he declassified stuff (in his imagination) that he never read, apparently.
still, this doesn't seem to be much different than our senile 80 year old president forgetting he even took classified docs without permission, and leaving them around in about a dozen locations.
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RuyLopez · 56-60, M
@SusanInFlorida That is the typically process.
First, the president will consult all departments and agencies that have an interest in a classified document. Those departments or agencies then provide their assessment as to whether the document should stay classified for national security reasons. If there is a dispute among the agencies, they debate, but the president ultimately makes the decision on declassification, Immerman explained.
When documents are declassified, they are reviewed line-by-line. In many cases, certain words, sentences and paragraphs remain redacted, even if the document is declassified, Immerman said.
But this is prescribe by the President as the Chief Executive. He does not have to follow his own guidelines they are for everyone else. Typically the President does, however, there are times when he may need to be able to declassify at a moments notice. The example given is when he may need to share information to a foreign leader he is talking to. Say Biden discuss military intelligence with Zelensky for instance. Or maybe a report on terrorist activity with the Prime Minister of Israel. That is why he is given the power via the constitution to unilaterally and summarily declassify a document just by his actions of discussing the information in an open manner.
First, the president will consult all departments and agencies that have an interest in a classified document. Those departments or agencies then provide their assessment as to whether the document should stay classified for national security reasons. If there is a dispute among the agencies, they debate, but the president ultimately makes the decision on declassification, Immerman explained.
When documents are declassified, they are reviewed line-by-line. In many cases, certain words, sentences and paragraphs remain redacted, even if the document is declassified, Immerman said.
But this is prescribe by the President as the Chief Executive. He does not have to follow his own guidelines they are for everyone else. Typically the President does, however, there are times when he may need to be able to declassify at a moments notice. The example given is when he may need to share information to a foreign leader he is talking to. Say Biden discuss military intelligence with Zelensky for instance. Or maybe a report on terrorist activity with the Prime Minister of Israel. That is why he is given the power via the constitution to unilaterally and summarily declassify a document just by his actions of discussing the information in an open manner.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@RuyLopez i wasn't aware this was actually in the constitution. possibly in some other laws. i can't imagine the founding fathers thought this far ahead. and I'm not an expert on amendments subsequent to the bill of rights, but I've never heard of any of them dealing with classified documents.
RuyLopez · 56-60, M
@SusanInFlorida The power to declassify is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as I understand. The power has been interpreted by the Supreme Court to flow from those powers granted to the President as the Commander in Chief and Chief Executive Officer.
The Supreme Court determined in its 1988 decision on Department of the Navy v. Egan that[b] the president’s power over classified information comes from executive authority granted by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which says, in part, that the “President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.”[/b]
“His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information [b]flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant,” the Supreme Court decision reads.[/b]
The Supreme Court determined in its 1988 decision on Department of the Navy v. Egan that[b] the president’s power over classified information comes from executive authority granted by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which says, in part, that the “President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.”[/b]
“His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information [b]flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant,” the Supreme Court decision reads.[/b]
scrood · 31-35
Great post. People really do not understand Biden is a CRIMINAL, the VP has no authority at all to have those docs, nor a former VP, he should be raided and jailed IMMEDIATELY. But we know there are two sets of laws in this country and they will throw the book at President Trump though he is squeaky clean, "show me the man and I'll show you the crime," soviet-style justice department
