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LizOwen · 41-45, F
Making the drivers work extra weekends for less money, closing down ticket offices and making people unemployed.
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MartinII · 70-79, M
@Philth No, not at all. My point is that the public shouldn’t have to suffer the withdrawal of an essential service when no alternative is available. On safety and customer service issues, the railway industry is highly regulated and standards should be enforced on both employers and employees. Of course that is also an argument against privatisation!
On the loony left, I would only comment that they, or their leaders, are very far from loony. They no exactly what they are doing!
On the loony left, I would only comment that they, or their leaders, are very far from loony. They no exactly what they are doing!
Royrogers · 61-69, M
I have heard the train driver outside london earn way more than that. They have become spoilt brats
Philth · 46-50, M
@Londonn
Do I give you a simple short answer or a long detailed one?
This is about cuts which will affect safety. 2500 redundancies in infrastructure maintenance jobs, plus savage alterations to terms & conditions.
I'll give you a quick run-down of a few serious rail incidents within my life time.
Clapham Junction disaster, 35 people killed because of mistakes made by an overworked signalling technician who'd had to commute excessive hours to work excessive hours and not had a proper break in weeks.
Southall disaster, 7 killed because the train company pressured staff into continuing to run services with a train whose safety systems were isolated, also, the driver had not recieved adequate training as to handling a train with isolated systems.
Ladbroke Grove, 31 deaths, caused by a poorly designed signal layout and multiple examples of poor driver training / safety management.
Potter's Bar, 5 killed with a train went over a broken rail. Serious inadequate safety standards in track maintenance.
Hatfield, 4 killed when a train hit defective track. Inquiry found Major shortcomings in management of track maintenance.
Grayrigg, 1 killed when a train derailed on a badly maintained set of points and ended up in a field.
Stonehaven, 3 killed when a train running in abnormal weather hit a landslip. Inquiry finds multiple safety management failures with previous earthworks at the site of the landslip, and no proper plan in place for running a service in such a serious example of poor weather.
I could go on.... I've been given a green light into the back of a stationary freight train, it was never properly investigated because it was all covered up, instead I was suspended from driving and sent for an eye test, like I'd imagined the faults I saw with the defective signal which was beckoning me on into danger. After questioning myself for 2 weeks I was leaked the internal report confirming what I'd seen, the that if I hadn't stopped the chances are I'd not be alive now. Having slept upon this new information, the following day during a routine doctor's appointment I had a nervous breakdown.
Every time the government forces cuts on the rail industry, people get killed. That's what the issue is, meanwhile last year the hire companies who own almost all of the trains (ROSCOs) taking in £80m of taxpayers money, most of which went overseas.
Add to that an extremely punishing shift pattern which has led to around 1/3 of drivers being on medication for mental health issues at any one time, what's that you say, the BBC don't say this?
Do I give you a simple short answer or a long detailed one?
This is about cuts which will affect safety. 2500 redundancies in infrastructure maintenance jobs, plus savage alterations to terms & conditions.
I'll give you a quick run-down of a few serious rail incidents within my life time.
Clapham Junction disaster, 35 people killed because of mistakes made by an overworked signalling technician who'd had to commute excessive hours to work excessive hours and not had a proper break in weeks.
Southall disaster, 7 killed because the train company pressured staff into continuing to run services with a train whose safety systems were isolated, also, the driver had not recieved adequate training as to handling a train with isolated systems.
Ladbroke Grove, 31 deaths, caused by a poorly designed signal layout and multiple examples of poor driver training / safety management.
Potter's Bar, 5 killed with a train went over a broken rail. Serious inadequate safety standards in track maintenance.
Hatfield, 4 killed when a train hit defective track. Inquiry found Major shortcomings in management of track maintenance.
Grayrigg, 1 killed when a train derailed on a badly maintained set of points and ended up in a field.
Stonehaven, 3 killed when a train running in abnormal weather hit a landslip. Inquiry finds multiple safety management failures with previous earthworks at the site of the landslip, and no proper plan in place for running a service in such a serious example of poor weather.
I could go on.... I've been given a green light into the back of a stationary freight train, it was never properly investigated because it was all covered up, instead I was suspended from driving and sent for an eye test, like I'd imagined the faults I saw with the defective signal which was beckoning me on into danger. After questioning myself for 2 weeks I was leaked the internal report confirming what I'd seen, the that if I hadn't stopped the chances are I'd not be alive now. Having slept upon this new information, the following day during a routine doctor's appointment I had a nervous breakdown.
Every time the government forces cuts on the rail industry, people get killed. That's what the issue is, meanwhile last year the hire companies who own almost all of the trains (ROSCOs) taking in £80m of taxpayers money, most of which went overseas.
Add to that an extremely punishing shift pattern which has led to around 1/3 of drivers being on medication for mental health issues at any one time, what's that you say, the BBC don't say this?
It's guards, signallers and ticket collectors striking today. They're not on 40k.
GanglandCriminal97 · 26-30, M
Wow, 40k.
Here in America there are guys who work at Mcdonalds and make that.
Here in America there are guys who work at Mcdonalds and make that.
SW-User
As with all unions they hit when it will hit hardest. Understandable tactic but a vicious one. Why choose a holiday Saturday...couldn't wait until monday? "No, brothers and sisters, we need to make sure ordinary people suffer". Have a look at the salaries and grace and favour london appartments if the ever so humbly born union leaders....just saying.
Philth · 46-50, M
@SW-User *of course* the point is to cause disruption.
Let me guess, you're jealous that the French aren't getting royally screwed like us, but also dislike that the French stand up for themselves in various forms of disruptive protest.
Will you ever make the link?
Let me guess, you're jealous that the French aren't getting royally screwed like us, but also dislike that the French stand up for themselves in various forms of disruptive protest.
Will you ever make the link?
Mellowgirl · 31-35, F
No idea... They want an extra day off?