When you are reading an impactful article

@CountScrofula There are no limits to misinformation, while you can only tell the truth one way.

@CountScrofula Much as I despair of people using #independent websites' (fake news). The critique of the legacy media is not without merit. I've read so many Guardian articles which I know are factually inaccurate and then have to sit through their podcasts complaining about conspiracy theorists and lizard people.

There are other issues such as what they choose to cover and emphasis bias, It's not just this though because the 'creduible# media is far from above outright lying.

@Mamapolo2016 And vitally, truth is expensive. It can take a long time of full-salaried reporters investigating a story before publishing something for one news cycle. Misinformation is very cheap because the only effort is writing the article and doing the bare minimum of contacting affected parties.

@Burnley123 Yeah. Fascinatingly the situation I'm in which is about the ruling conservatives intervening in a university trying to relocate out of my home town has been really badly reported because of anti-conservative bias in the media. It means that the real story here, which is that the university administration are fucking insane, is completely lost and it becomes about government overreach. Granted the conservatives are also morons so that muddies the waters.

@CountScrofula As a Corbynista, I'm pretty open to the idea that the liberal elite is actually corrupt and full of shit. Yes, this does not forgive the right but it does bring it home about how naive the 'well-meaning' centre left is to trust legacy liberal media.

@Burnley123 Yep again it's one of those things about general conservative complaints. Their identification of symptoms is as good as anyone else, their diagnosis of problems is insane. OH wait the media isn't shitty because of profit-seeking, it's because there's a conspiracy of (((ELITES)))

@CountScrofula Nail on head.

@Burnley123 I'm curious, what topics/articles from the guardian are factually incorrect?

I have the same questions with the BBC and I've been assuming that the BBC isn't necessarily a trustworthy source on matters that related to unrest between the UK and Ireland for example due to potential bias in favor of the former

@deadgerbil Thank you for the question but it's necessarily a long story.

The Guardian, which is our primary liberal news source has a heavy anti-left bias. It is anti-Conservative and also has some genuine left writers (Gary Younge/Owen Jones) buts its editorial line is very much in favour of the Labour right and outright hostile to the Labour left. There is even e book article dedicated to this and here is an extract, if you have time:

https://novaramedia.com/2017/01/08/how-the-guardian-changed-tack-on-corbyn-despite-its-readers/

In terms of outright factual inaccuracies, the Guardian had an article claiming left-wing and Corbyn supporting activists 'bullied' MP Stella Creacy by harassing her and intimidating her for voting to bomb Syria. I literally knew the people involved and they merely posted letters on her MP office door with anti-war messages. This is a group of hippies and students but was depicted as an angry violent mob.

As for the BBC, some on the right in our country depict it as 'left-wing' because it is a publically-funded broadcaster. TBF, its international coverage is pretty decent but its domestic coverage is clouded by the fact that it is stacked with Tories and has New Labour (Clinton Democrat) types as its outer-most left.
Laura Kuensberg, the chief political editor, clearly takes a centre-right line and is hostile to the left.

Unfortunately, a lot of Labour voters trust the BBC and Guardian and believe their coverage unquestioningly.

The American mainstream, media does lean centre-left and has slightly higher standards of objectivity. The UK print media is owned by Conservative oligarchs (like Murdoch). The parts that don't, take a right-leaning view of centrism and have a thermo-nuclear hostility to anything to the left.

Partly because our ruling elite is based in one city (London) and they literally all know each other. Laura Kuensbery, Jonathan Friedland and Boris Johnson go to the same dinner parties. In America, the southern and rural sections of the ruling class genuinely do despise the liberal elite. The extremism of Trumpism maybe allows the American liberals (like Nate Silver) to sometimes make common causes with the Bernicrat left because they hate the right so much.

I know this is a long reply but I could talk about this MUCH more. LOlz.

@Burnley123 the long reply is appreciated since your political commentaries are of quality.

@deadgerbil As are your's man. I have skin in this game because I have been part of the (ultimately failing) Corbyn project as an activisist irl. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I've seen so so much cynical shit happen with my own eyes.

I agree with Count when he says:

[quote] Their identification of symptoms is as good as anyone else, their diagnosis of problems is insane.[quote]