I saw this headline "Velshi: Breakthrough infections do not mean vaccines don’t work"

So they're basically saying just because you're vaccinated doesn't mean you can't get covid. Okay here's the problem. If that vaccinated person has covid, and they are next to someone who can't be vaccinated for whatever health reason, then that vaccinated person needs to quarantine and stay away from others. See because now it's going to be all these vaccinated people who could have covid at some point, so if non-vaccinated are wearing masks and doing what they should be doing... it shouldn't be any different for vaccinated, because at the end of the day, all it's doing is spreading it still.

And just because CDC said it's fine to go around no mask vaccinated, the CDC doesn't know its head from its ass. How on earth does the CDC know anything??? They have no idea, they're just throwing out what they think would work for vaccinated in my opinion.

Sorry for the rant but it's beyond insane at this point.

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OogieBoogie · F

This is pretty much spot on.

Vaccination reduces symptoms and shortens the longevity the virus is in your system.

And that's how it reduces contagion...by it being shorted lived.

It doesn't stop transmission though.

You have a valid point.

Slade · 56-60, M

@OogieBoogie Is this a vaccine or a pre-emptive treatment? Or prophylactic like the HCQ and Z pack?

OogieBoogie · F

@Slade vaccine .

Slade · 56-60, M

@OogieBoogie But you said it doesn't stop transmission. Isn't that the raison d'tre of a vaccine?

OogieBoogie · F

@Slade the reason for a vaccine is to increase immune response.

... which in turn reduces the affects of a virus, because your immune system has the ability to now reccognise its cells and attack it effectively , thus stopping it from spreading virulently through your body .

And you get better , faster.

OogieBoogie · F

@Slade I said it doesn't stop transmission...but reduces it .

It creates a shorter window of opportunity for the virus.

Slade · 56-60, M

@OogieBoogie I thought it was to prevent any infection because the body thinks it's had it (killed virus) and it's natural immunities keep it out entirely

I'd hate to think we're still getting sick with polio and TB, then waiting for the vaccine to treat it

Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M

Vaccines aren’t cures for disease.

Slade · 56-60, M

@Picklebobble2 For myself it us irrelevant- I did my time with a Covid infection. I have the only immunities worth a damn. A jab would be redundant at best.

But I understand it's a difficult choice given how it's been rushed in without full testing. I have a relative with the CDC who spouts the party line - but I can read between the lines too

OogieBoogie · F

@Slade a vaccine doesn't treat any virus ...its not a medicine like an antibiotic.

When a virus attacks your body ...an alarm is sent out ....detective cells come , take a sample and take it back to immune headquarters, where its hopefully identified .

If it doesn't get identified...the body has to then struggle to fight it, which takes time.
Meanwhile, the virus is spreading, doing damage, causing symptoms.
It can take the body so long to work out an affective response, tjat the body gets too infected amd dies ...or suffers badly.

What a vaccine does is deliver part (or a dead sample) of a virus to the body .
The body does the same ...it takes it back to be identified . If it isn't...it tries to find a way.
Thing is, a dead , or part virus (vaccine), cant normally cause the damage a live virus would.
So the body has time to work out a defence strategy.

Which it stores.

So when a virus comes along, it's sample gets reccognised ...and the body goes into instant kill mode. It uses the blueprint it stored from the vaccine cell model, to make designer immune cells targeted at that specific virus .

So instead of the immune system being unprepared and ineffective, it becomes a target response team .
And the virus is killed off pretty quickly.

And you get better .

The better the vaccine , The better the immune response.
The quicker a virus dies and is contained.

Thjs is a very simple explanation ...and people's immune responses vary .
But its the basics of how a vaccine "prepares" the bodys immune system.
Its still the immune system that kills the virus .

Its like if you have prepared your house for a storm , and next door hasn't.

You will both be hit by the storm , you houses will both suffer storm damage .

But the prepared one will suffer way less, and will be easier to fix.

Make sense?

OogieBoogie · F

@Slade yep.

You pretty much have the best prepared immune system for the future of this virus.

But it does mean you could catch it for a few days and not even notice.

Slade · 56-60, M

@OogieBoogie You got one thing wrong. A virus isn't living or dead - it's a pure parasite, nothing more.

That's why they can still be effective after being frozen for centuries.

A virus can't be cured - it can only pass through a system.

Extreme heat seems to destroy them much more than extreme cold

Slade · 56-60, M

@OogieBoogie True dat

OogieBoogie · F

@Slade it does get destroyed by T cells (i think that's what they are called ) of the immune system.

This is film of them seeking and destroying a virus. [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D6_xWYlLy4]
And yes, viruses are like microscopic parasites.

Parasites are living creatures that need a host to survive.

OogieBoogie · F

@Slade heat yes...thats why one immine response is to get a fever.

OogieBoogie · F

@Slade the reason they can become active after being frozen is because they aren't a complex living organism, they are very simple im design.

There are creatures that survive the frozen recesses of space , and become revived again .