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Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
It ain't no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don't break any.
When caught between two evils I generally pick the one I've never tried before.
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When caught between two evils I generally pick the one I've never tried before.
May West
LeopoldBloom · M
If God is omniscient, he knew the serpent would fool Eve and that she would eat the fruit. So he created her only to punish her. Sounds pretty cruel.
@LeopoldBloom God created man to make their own decisions, or free will. Eve knew that she wasn't suppose to eat the fruit of that tree. Eve acted out of free will and took the fruit and ate it.
LeopoldBloom · M
@cinsac It's actually a metaphor for the transition from an animal state to human consciousness. They didn't eat from the tree of eternal life because they had no concept of their own eventual death. The only way to prove you're immortal is to live forever; if you don't know you're going to die, you might as well be immortal. My dog doesn't know she will die eventually, so in her mind, she will live forever. By eating the tree of knowledge, they became aware of their own eventual deaths and by doing so, became human.
The other aspect of the story is about the transition from a hunter-gatherer lifestyle to an agrarian one. They go from just wandering around picking fruit to tilling the soil and living "by the sweat of their brow." Carl Sagan pointed out that knowledge is also made possible by our huge brains, so women being cursed to give birth in pain (because babies' heads are so big) goes along with that. No other animal has as much trouble giving birth as humans do.
These stories were what people came up with to explain their experienced reality. They're much more interesting as allegory than taking them literally, which diminishes them and is ultimately disrespectful to the people who wrote them.
The other aspect of the story is about the transition from a hunter-gatherer lifestyle to an agrarian one. They go from just wandering around picking fruit to tilling the soil and living "by the sweat of their brow." Carl Sagan pointed out that knowledge is also made possible by our huge brains, so women being cursed to give birth in pain (because babies' heads are so big) goes along with that. No other animal has as much trouble giving birth as humans do.
These stories were what people came up with to explain their experienced reality. They're much more interesting as allegory than taking them literally, which diminishes them and is ultimately disrespectful to the people who wrote them.
@LeopoldBloom Thank you, I like Carl Sagan's take on the classic story. I also agree with the latter.
onewithshoes · 22-25, F
... and some would say also Mary, and possibly Moses.
@onewithshoes Who says? Do you have a reference? I'm actually curious.
onewithshoes · 22-25, F
@cinsac Many, if not most Christians, in both the Eastern and Western have believed since earliest times that our Lady was assumed bodily into Heaven, though some hold that she died, or a least fell asleep first. What became of Moses' body is a open question, though St. Jude makes a very brief mention of an argument between the Devil and St. Michael about it.
@onewithshoes Thank you
CrystalSkull · F
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LeopoldBloom · M
@allygator18 It's not revisionist at all. The text is the Robert Alter translation taken verbatim, and the illustrations simply depict what the text says. You may want to look at it before you dismiss it.
https://www.amazon.com/Book-Genesis-Illustrated-R-Crumb/dp/0393061027/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IGOY088XJFYT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0C2-AnEYctSAWAKFILdm8zkmHogW4TqD4e2JQ8Y3rMyQmfOJpiYxEbtkQ67Q50MK6SufHfKJDTMTebKAVWt2vlpCwUzu5v2JyPIhIXLArQYkc3sKaucpDcvwetaOomGhbyCM7YjggP3zvPGYe1eDt0nP2rgIu6qeZGLpEKWY7-vTMi6ama6mPgz_LR35p6Acd6q-QoZaEAVKJO4oArGbV0233H5r5gdg4GOd9pPbQtY.DiRKUzpwu3VDOkiph7wqXLJ86aMAZSoX7taDdAAxN8Y&dib_tag=se&keywords=r+crumb+genesis&qid=1720122514&sprefix=r+crumb+gen%2Caps%2C135&sr=8-1
The Robert Alter translation is also highly regarded as it preserves the literary style of the original to the extent that's possible in English.
https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Translation-Commentary-Robert-Alter/dp/039331670X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1CDPPZF1W924B&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._zNXh8SmWZB88izrx6XzGSsebNHcGRHPHeFZgZPmwjGIJiwBCZRkIsTy6zzIsncqNBY7rPmfQDNpHwLbrybOdDQcT_2BW0YpG8WAJXgbQUbVoePu8K3B203nGlWZUVURZnCWFWxIsbT2k7ewY8cWPHmTL1U6jl61uDw1aFhNwVZ7D0dV8b-Q2DQkgnHNFE_kvf22ptg2a2VW322QhxeqiYnG8CvS65B8t2gyJ4XqZTGlYoBOp04sgUXa_SZ7cx_rMtS7hMeFcRyYAipszwZJ40mxLq3-Gs0cq8gO8MamDx4.DZnJ8CU71lrikaUk3ab3PEjXWyxWruH5EUNk1aPC0Ss&dib_tag=se&keywords=robert+alter&qid=1720122654&sprefix=robert+alter%2Caps%2C115&sr=8-3
https://www.amazon.com/Book-Genesis-Illustrated-R-Crumb/dp/0393061027/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IGOY088XJFYT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0C2-AnEYctSAWAKFILdm8zkmHogW4TqD4e2JQ8Y3rMyQmfOJpiYxEbtkQ67Q50MK6SufHfKJDTMTebKAVWt2vlpCwUzu5v2JyPIhIXLArQYkc3sKaucpDcvwetaOomGhbyCM7YjggP3zvPGYe1eDt0nP2rgIu6qeZGLpEKWY7-vTMi6ama6mPgz_LR35p6Acd6q-QoZaEAVKJO4oArGbV0233H5r5gdg4GOd9pPbQtY.DiRKUzpwu3VDOkiph7wqXLJ86aMAZSoX7taDdAAxN8Y&dib_tag=se&keywords=r+crumb+genesis&qid=1720122514&sprefix=r+crumb+gen%2Caps%2C135&sr=8-1
The Robert Alter translation is also highly regarded as it preserves the literary style of the original to the extent that's possible in English.
https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Translation-Commentary-Robert-Alter/dp/039331670X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1CDPPZF1W924B&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._zNXh8SmWZB88izrx6XzGSsebNHcGRHPHeFZgZPmwjGIJiwBCZRkIsTy6zzIsncqNBY7rPmfQDNpHwLbrybOdDQcT_2BW0YpG8WAJXgbQUbVoePu8K3B203nGlWZUVURZnCWFWxIsbT2k7ewY8cWPHmTL1U6jl61uDw1aFhNwVZ7D0dV8b-Q2DQkgnHNFE_kvf22ptg2a2VW322QhxeqiYnG8CvS65B8t2gyJ4XqZTGlYoBOp04sgUXa_SZ7cx_rMtS7hMeFcRyYAipszwZJ40mxLq3-Gs0cq8gO8MamDx4.DZnJ8CU71lrikaUk3ab3PEjXWyxWruH5EUNk1aPC0Ss&dib_tag=se&keywords=robert+alter&qid=1720122654&sprefix=robert+alter%2Caps%2C115&sr=8-3
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@LeopoldBloom Whoa, cool. I love the Adult supervision recommended for minors.