So lets have a head count... How many Proud Americans do we have today?

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I am Proud to be an American today

Nope. Not today..

I have dual citizenship, so dont ask me.

Moving and wont leave a forwarding address

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CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M

I havent ever been proud to be an american.

I didnt choose to be born here, it is simply just all i know.

And i dont see any point in making patriotism part of my core values when both the land itself is indifferent to my existence, and the government that rules over it mostly is too

Except for when it is time to extract resources from me and/or punish me, that is.

All this current noisy business is what I have come to expect from all centralized and hierarchical states.

Im no great scholar of sociology nor history, but i am enough of one to be thoroughly unimpressed, unsurprised, and borderline bored by what I see.

Headline: water is wet.

BrandNewMan · 61-69, M

@CynicalSpaceMan They will let you leave .. go ahead. Go find out.

CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M

@BrandNewMan i think about it sometimes. Maybe some day.

Thing is though, developed nations arent as different from each other as they like to think.

Leviathan governs the vast majority of the world; not just the US.

In most places it would just be more of the same.

So where to go? Denmark? Sweden? Finland?

I dont know the language and they are embattled with the very same forces. Even if they are objectively better places to be a common working class person today, how long will that remain the case?

There arent as many places to run to as one would like, and the ground is shrinking.

The only havens there are may be the ones we build.

BrandNewMan · 61-69, M

@CynicalSpaceMan Kinda my point ..

Ohplease47 · 70-79, FNew

@CynicalSpaceMan like harrison fords Mosquito Coast perchance, or another island of doctor moreau?

CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M

@Ohplease47

No.

I’m not talking about escaping society or building some fantasy island.

I’m talking about people creating smaller-scale structures that can coexist within larger systems, because exit options are narrowing.

"Decentralized nodes", if you will, that obey the laws of the land, are mutualistically symbiotic with the surrounding area, and that run on heterarchy rather than hierarchy.

Free, non stigmatized, movement in and out being a key feature.

Ohplease47 · 70-79, FNew

@CynicalSpaceMan Nodules? Agreed, but mine had to be affordable.

CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M

@Ohplease47 affordability is a big ticket item as well, yes.

They would have to be highly accessible to people of common means in order for the concept to have legs.

Ohplease47 · 70-79, FNew

@CynicalSpaceMan like everything else

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@CynicalSpaceMan Its a great Utopian idea. The thing we miss is that someone always shows up to ruin it and grab more for themselves, while someone else decides they deserve a free ride with no effort.. The law of the jungle deals with it effectively by driving off or killing those members of the herd who dont behave. (A lot of good documentaries out there on Primates and pack animals.) Whereas humans just wont do that..😷

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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@CynicalSpaceMan I wasnt using Utopian as an insult. And it can be very pragmatic. In fact it needs to be. The more pragmatism, the less exceptions there can be to rules. The main rule being that everyone is responsible for participating in the experiment..😷

CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M

@whowasthatmaskedman ah, sorry. Im very wary of that term 😅