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MethDozer · M
Nobody gives the black population any credit for how much they willingly still side with the USA during and after slavery. When in all rights they have a lot of reason not too.
Let's be real, as a group blacks more than not have given service, taken things with a grain of salt, and you see them flying the flag in the ghetto the same as in the white suburbs. It's the exception not the norm that blacks ever asked for the downfall of the USA just for the place to treat them as equals.
Let's be real, as a group blacks more than not have given service, taken things with a grain of salt, and you see them flying the flag in the ghetto the same as in the white suburbs. It's the exception not the norm that blacks ever asked for the downfall of the USA just for the place to treat them as equals.
bijouxbroussard · F
@MethDozer That’s true, actually. Blacks initially had to fight for the right to be allowed to serve in the armed forces and volunteered, even when it meant serving in segregated troops.
MethDozer · M
@bijouxbroussard The same can be said for many Native Americans as well.
bijouxbroussard · F
@MethDozer Yes, and Nisei who volunteered, even while their sons were served with drafts notices in the internment camps.
MethDozer · M
@bijouxbroussard I find it kinda funny too that northern racism really took off and became a thing when blacks from the south moved to the north and that a lot of it was due to them bringing rural southern culture with them that was just as big of a part of southern White culture they were emulating. It got labelled and seen as black culture but it was mostly just general southern culture as a whole that didn't jive with northerners.
bijouxbroussard · F
@MethDozer Are you familiar with the 1863 draft riots in New York City ? A surprising number of northern whites, particularly immigrants, blamed blacks for being drafted into the Civil War.
My father served during the Korean conflict, right after Truman desegregated the troops. He was on his guard about serving with southern whites, but says he had few problems overall. He wasn’t strange to the southerners; they recognized the music and the foods he liked, especially the Cajuns. Some of the Northerners had never even seen a black person before.
My father served during the Korean conflict, right after Truman desegregated the troops. He was on his guard about serving with southern whites, but says he had few problems overall. He wasn’t strange to the southerners; they recognized the music and the foods he liked, especially the Cajuns. Some of the Northerners had never even seen a black person before.
MethDozer · M
@bijouxbroussard yeah, especially with the Irish immigrant population. Which is messed up but in hindsight was kind of a perfect recipe for turning them against the southern black. I mean just coming out of a famine and the country just kinda used them as a steady stream of cannon fodder they had absolutely nothing to do with. Their assumption wasn't correct but the situation seemed taylor made to the outcome honestly. What's even more of kicker is at the time the Irish were often labeled by other whites as akin to a fair skinned n****** by many elites.
I'm on my way saying racism against blacks was non-existent in anyway in the north. The north wasn't Angels in that regard but it has been fairly well documented that this culture clash fueled an uptick on many northern areas.
I'm on my way saying racism against blacks was non-existent in anyway in the north. The north wasn't Angels in that regard but it has been fairly well documented that this culture clash fueled an uptick on many northern areas.
MethDozer · M
@bijouxbroussard and I don't insinuate that word metaphorically or lightly. You can find many period texts using that exact description.
It's frigging insane how dumb and ignorant this concept of whiteness and non whiteness has been defined over the centuries and how people can cling onto it when it's been so weirdly defined it just showcases how baseless it truly is.
It's frigging insane how dumb and ignorant this concept of whiteness and non whiteness has been defined over the centuries and how people can cling onto it when it's been so weirdly defined it just showcases how baseless it truly is.
bijouxbroussard · F
@MethDozer The strange thing about the prejudice against the Irish is, it seems to have been a class issue more than racial. After all, no less than 23 of our 46 presidents had some Irish ancestry—including the current one and the one who was also of Kenyan descent.
MethDozer · M
@bijouxbroussard most of the racial issues stem from percieved class issues at first. The elites always wanted or tried to mash the two together.