What concerns you about the current Iran Israel war?

@SW-User everything we fight over in this world is made up: money, religion, national pride

@SW-User In this instance only focus on the religion aspect offers a long term solution.

@SW-User Partly but the real causes are territorial and political. Both countries are ruled by very unpleasant religious bigots but there are very strong nationalist strands in there, too.

@ArishMell Where religion and politics are interwoven religion chiefly defines identity.

@SW-User They do, though I think it starts the other way. The predominent religion defines the culture and its politics reflect that, at least in theocracies or countries with excessively strong religious divisions.

@ArishMell And separation of church and state is really an illusion in a democracy. All it takes to undo it is achieved majority opinion.

@SW-User “It's a religious war between two false religions. If Christians step in the war becomes between three false religions.”

Is there a religion that isn't false in your eyes?

@degraded None that you would have heard of. The idea of natural afterlife could be that religion.

@SW-User Pantheism? Can you explain? How is this not different from biology?

@degraded Pantheism is unrelated to natural afterlife. It consists of two forms of outreaching: one associated with magical afterlife and the other with natural cessation. Biology is unrelated to natural afterlife as well, unless evolution is considered part of an argument in support of it.

@SW-User How? Birth and natural cessation are biological. Ammonia and nitrogen from decomposing flesh being absorbed by soil is no revelation. Why is this a religion?

“We see death as the return to nature of our elements, and the end of our existence as individuals. The forms of ‘afterlife’ available to humans are natural ones, in the natural world. Our actions, our ideas and memories of us live on, according to what we do in our lives. Our genes live on in our families, and our elements are endlessly recycled in nature.” — The World Pantheist Movement

The Pantheists seem to be real Sherlocks.

Do you think the natural world is divine? “Divine” is from the Latin “divinus”, meaning “of a god.” Is the Earth your god?

@degraded I wish you happiness in whatever you believe, but would ask you to not guess wrongly at what I believe.