It's Not a 'Disgraceful Antisemitic Blood Libel' to Say Israel Is Killing Babies in Gaza

@LeopoldBloom
Very good, you get an A+. This is nicely polished AIPAC piece of propaganda.

In that case, there is no Israel, because Israel was occupied by the Ottomans, and then after the Ottomans the British, and then Jordan and Egypt.

The land purchased by the Zionist project, was no owned by Arabs. It was handed to subjects of the Ottoman Empire, for doing a good job as tax collectors for the Ottomans. The owners did NOT live in the land. The largest is the Soursok family, who lived in Lebanon, Switzerland and France. These transactions took place in secrecy, and then the new owners showed, to kick out the farmers who were living there, unable to do anything, because the rent was always increased to make sure they have options.

However, the largest portion came as refugees, fleeing Nazi Europe.

The difference between Haitian refugees or latin American refugees, and the new arrivals, is that the former did not show up with guns and expel the people. To use your analogy, it would be like a bunch of people from Haiti, crossing the border, invade Texas farms, expel the Texans and call it home.

The original phrase is "a land without people, for people without land". This is the phrase that I heard passed down in my family.

The founders of Israel, initially thought it should be names Palestine.

@Northwest Israel is a sovereign country created by the UN; Palestine is not. There was never an independent country called "Palestine" at any point in history. Until relatively recently, "Palestine" referred to a region. And until European Jews began arriving there, the local Arabs considered themselves "Arabs" or "Syrians." "Palestinian" as a specific Arab identity was first mentioned by Khalil Beidas in 1898.

And yes, you're correct, the Ottoman landlords kicked out the Arab Fellahin tenant farmers when newly-arrived Jews purchased their land, so it's understandable that they were upset. They felt that their lives had been upended by decisions made by far-off rulers who ignored them and had no concern for their welfare. It's no different from white conservatives who felt the Biden administration was deliberately changing the demographics of their communities by allowing Latin American and Caribbean refugees to settle among them with no way to contest this. However, if you're going to complain about immigrants in the Levant, the first Zionists were joining a pre-existing Jewish community (the Yishuv) that had existed since antiquity. Meanwhile, many modern Palestinians are also descended from immigrants who began arriving around the same time for opportunities in agriculture and industry the Jewish immigrants were creating. An example would be Yasser Arafat, whose father was Egyptian.

The original Jewish self-defense groups were established to resist Arab violence. Arab-led pogroms against the Yishuv went back to the 1834 pogroms in Bethlehem, Safed, Hebron, and Nablus, decades before Theodor Herzl, the father of Zionism, was born. While Jews in Muslim countries generally experienced better treatment than in Europe, they were still considered second-class citizens. This underlies the concern many Israelis have at their country becoming Muslim-majority.

Despite the way your family taught you the phrase, it originated with Christian Restorationist Rev. Alexander Keith, who in 1843 described the Jews, "Therefore, are they wanderers throughout the world, who have nowhere found a place on which the sole of their foot could rest—a people without a country; even as their own land, as subsequently to be shown, is in a great measure a country without a people." Ten years later, Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, described "Greater Syria" as "a country without a nation in need of a nation without a country." Christian Restorationism was a form of Christian Zionism, which held that Jews should be returned to the Holy Land to pave the way for Christ's return. The phrase was later picked up by some Jewish Zionists, but not all as many recognized that there were already Arabs living there who would have to be accommodated.

Palestine was one of the names considered for the new country, but was ultimately discarded as the founders assumed the Arabs would want to use it.

@LeopoldBloom
The UN recognizes Israel as a sovereign country, with its 1947 borders. This does not includes the West Bank, the Golan and Gaza. The latter are referred to by most of the world as the Occupied Territories.

There has never been a country called Israel, until the UN vote to recognize it as such.

Up until the UN partition, there were no Israelis. The Europeans who either moved there through purchasing land from the people who did not live in it, there were no Israelis. They were German, Polish, Soviet, American, British, French....

The same reasoning you use to justify Israel, can be used to justify a country called Palestine within the West Bank and Gaza.

@SW-User
Of course they are. Does the civilian population lined up for food and water, under the watchful eyes of the Israeli military, represent a legitimate military threat?


The distribution centers are beyond Hamas reach, but you have no clue and all you're doing is parroting the messianics.

The current right wing Orthodox Messianic Israeli government, has only one goal: take over Gaza. What happens to the population is irrelevant. Troll.

@Northwest This is pure projection, it's Hamas that is the Messianic genocidal death cult. It's Hamas that insists on prolonging the war they started and lost.

@Northwest I hope you responded by sharing the law surrounding this and.telling them to pack sand.

@JaggedLittlePill I really did not know who to respond to.

@Northwest


@SW-Admin @Nuno @Andrew

The later two are both admin and co owners.

The first could be any one of four, though likely Nuno would handle it.