Before June 1967 when Egypt controlled Gaza and Jordan controlled the West Bank, did anybody ever talk about the "occupation" of Palestinian land?
Discussions about the "occupation" of Palestinian territories typically became prominent after the Six-Day War in June 1967, during which Israel captured the Gaza Strip from Egypt and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, from Jordan. Prior to this event, the terminology and framing of the situation in the Palestinian territories might have differed, but concerns about sovereignty, self-determination, and the rights of Palestinians were certainly present.
Before 1967, the Palestinian territories were under the control of Egypt and Jordan, but the term "occupation" as it came to be understood after the Six-Day War was not necessarily widely used in the same context. Instead, there were discussions about the status of the territories and the desire for Palestinian self-determination, often framed within the broader context of Arab-Israeli relations and the conflict over the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948.
However, it's important to note that concepts related to occupation, colonization, and sovereignty have been part of discussions about Palestine for much of the 20th century, particularly as various powers exerted control over the region. The terminology may have evolved over time to reflect changing political circumstances and perspectives.
@flipper1966 I’m not blaming you or anyone in particular.
It seems to be a collective thing, much like the overuse of “like” in place of said - “I was like ‘Let’s meet for a drink’” or as an extra word to diffuse emphasis or precision, ie “there were like 80 people there.”
Prior to the end of WWII, and following the end of WWI and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the entire Fertile Crescent was getting reshaped into various nations, artificially drawn by the European colonial powers.
While there was country of Palestine, there was no country of Israel either. However, the area was known as Palestine, and was a British protectorate.
Post 1948, and following various iterations of Transjordan, both banks of the Jordan River were joined together under the Kingdom of Jordan, given that they were the same people.
Gaza is a different story. Prior to 1948, it had a population of 50K or so, mostly connected to Egypt. Post 1948, Gaza filled up with refugees who were driven out of the new state of Israel.
@SW-User Arguments? I am citing facts in the form of a question. Do you care to answer the question?
FACT: There are many Palestinians who claim Gaza and the West Bank are Palestinian land.
FACT: There are Palestinians who engage in acts of terrorism to further the liberation of Palestinian land. Hamas is dedicated to commiting acts of terrorism against Israelis and Jews to further the liberation of Palestinian land.
Fact: When Egypt controlled Gaza and the West Bank was part of Jordan (pre-1967), Palestinians did not engage in acts of terrorism against Egypt or Jordan to liberate Palestinian land,
WHY? Please answer my original question. You're free to deflect any way you choose.
@SW-User You accuse me of deflecting to Hamas. Hamas needs to be condemned according to this Palestinian Gazan. Silencing criticism of Hamas with accusations of faulty logic do no service to Palestinians in Gaza -- according to someone who is probably far more knowledgeable about these matters than you. Please get off your faulty logic high horse.
Protests are spreading across the United States at college campuses, where university students are gathering in the name of Palestinian rights and occupying campus spaces with tents. Sadly, not everyone who purports to support Palestinians is truly interested in safeguarding our rights.
It pains me to say this as a Palestinian from Gaza. As my home is destroyed and too many killed, I never thought I would find myself criticizing those speaking up. And yet, I cannot be silent about what I am seeing. The truth is that the manner in which many gather to voice their support for Palestinians does more to hurt our cause than help it.
You know what would help the Palestinians in Gaza? Condemning Hamas' atrocities. Instead, the protesters routinely chant their desire to "Globalize the Intifada." Apparently they do not realize that the Intifadas were disastrous for both Palestinians and Israelis, just as October 7 has been devastating for the people of Gaza.
They should be speaking up for the innocent victims of Hamas—both Palestinian and Israeli. Instead, they endorse Hamas's ideology with posters announcing resistance "by any means necessary" and chants of "from the river to the sea," effectively glorifying the Al-Qassam brigades, Hamas' military wing, whose ideology is entirely based on the elimination of more than 6 million Israelis from the land.
I dont understand why people that dont even live out there care in the first place. Theres no way anything that Israel does will adversely affect anyone in other parts of the world. I say its licenced anti-semitism.
I was 7 personally, but I’m told some definitely did. The internet means we know more about what’s going in on other countries now. Just because we didn’t know then doesn’t mean nothing was happening.
