@rickfreeman15: I also said that if men [b]weren't[/b] attracted, many women wouldn't bother with makeup. Either way, it's someone else deciding how women should look, what they should or shouldn't do with their own faces. Isn't that the bottom line ?
@bijouxbroussard: Nope. You just said it makes her 'pretty'. You acknowledged that putting on makeup makes her more attractive, even if its fake. You can't blame men for that.
Take a look at the two men below. Now unless you're just going to lie to yourself, the second one is obviously more attractive. Now let's imagine there was some sort of 'makeup' to make the first man look like the second.
Do you think its right that you should be blamed for the man's decision to put up a fake image of how he really looks? Just to get your attention?
Physical attraction can't be controlled, so you can't blame boys and men for being attracted to girls and women with makeup. Instead shift the blame to YOURSELVES, and why you need to put up a fake image of what you look like instead of trying to win people over with your personality
@NearMiss: Exactly. But as far as she's concerned, men are to blame and are a problem for being attracted to people who look more attractive (albeit artificially).
@rickfreeman15: In fact, men [b]do[/b] blame women. How often have you heard guys say (you may've even said it yourself): "Women like bad boys, they don't appreciate a good man." That's [b]blaming[/b] their perception of what [i]some[/i] women do like; some find such fellows exciting, and some women are so broken that they don't look for kindness.
What I've said about makeup is mostly true, and lot of guys even say, "Men are more visually oriented". Which basically tells us, "You can have the best personality in the world, but we like pretty shiny objects". It's not really blaming men to acknowledge what the preponderance of men's magazines, men's clubs, porn and the popularity of Victoria's Secret models has made abundantly clear.
[quote]@NearMiss: Exactly. But as far as she's concerned, men are to blame and are a problem for being attracted to people who look more attractive (albeit artificially). 0 · Reply · 8 mins ago | [/quote]
What is the point of holding a conversation about me with someone who can't read what I have to say ? It's like talking behind my back and I thought better of you than that.
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@rickfreeman15: Aye the man in the second pic is an Indian actor 😂
@bijouxbroussard: You still fail to get the point. Women liking 'bad boys' is something that can be controlled. Its not a biological process. If your personality changes today, you find yourself liking a different kind of guy. And yes, some.men complain but that DOESN'T make it right. But the good thing is, there's no "makeup" to hide your personality just to make someone like you, because sooner or later, even if you pretend, your real self will always be revealed.
As for men being visually oriented, I think you misunderstood the statement, or just chose to give it your own meaning. You're wrong about men just liking 'pretty shiny objects'. VERY wrong.
A woman can read a romantic novel and get extremely turned on, sexually. That rarely happens for men.
A man can watch images of naked women and get extremely turned on, sexually. Women, not as much.
That's the meaning of the 'visual orientation'. Which is why Victoria's secret models are popular, and things like the Fifty shades book franchise are popular among women, popular enough that Hollywood decided to spend millions of dollars making it into movies, just as they do with other popular books. It doesn't necessarily mean that men do not consider personalities.
@rickfreeman15: [quote]Women liking 'bad boys' is something that can be controlled. Its not a biological process[/quote] For such women, it apparently isn't. It would be like someone telling you what [b]you[/b] should find attractive and saying, "you can control this, it's not a biological process". Wouldn't that be presumptuous ?
[quote] It doesn't necessarily mean that men do not consider personalities.[/quote] It does imply that the personality is what [b]keeps[/b] his interest. Not what initially attracts it.
@bijouxbroussard: nope, I said so because personality preference can change. If you're "young wild and free" today you might be attracted to someone who's carefree and as you grow and mature your preference can change as well. A man's physical preference hardly changes, if it changes at all. An biologically, all of us, both male and female, see facial symmetry to be attractive. And how is that a bad thing? A man will not love a woman who doesn't have a personality he likes. And he has to be physically attracted as well. Also, men have been falling in love before makeup was invented. A woman who has a good personality can make a man see past her physical flaws...
There are men that are married/dating women, who see people 10x physically attractive than their partners everyday. Yet they stick to the ones they love because while physical attraction is a requirement, a good personality is even more important.
@rickfreeman15: No, I'd say it's the polar [b]opposite[/b]. What a man considers attractive when he's in his 60s isn't necessarily the same as when he was a teenager, that often evolves, too (when it doesn't he's more likely to end up in jail here). Logically it makes more sense that a preferred personality type might [b]not[/b] change, because that can apply to any age. Looks are pretty age-specific. I [b]know[/b] I find the same personality type attractive that I did as a young woman, while I grew to appreciate how 50+ men [b]looked[/b]. If that's biological, it evolved as I did. I admired quiet, kind intellectual types when I was 19, and that's what interests me now.
