Weed is legal in Canada

@UreBesFrend This is an obviously wrong fake story desperately trying to be proof of the slippery slope fallacy being correct.

They call it a logical fallacy for a reason.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yes, this is an expected reply from a pothead. You think it has no effect on society, when the opposite is the truth. I wonder how many pot smokers now smoke cigarettes? the cig companies are laughing at how easily society swings back into that cash cow.

@UreBesFrend Translation= you have no evidence of your made up story.


Doubling down on a logical fallacy doesn't magically change the fact it is wrong.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow What kind of "evidence" do you think I need to provide about people OD'ing in my block? lol. Well, you can google the number of opioid death's in Canada. No need to take my word for anything, the proof is all around you, but I am sure you will just light up another joint and forget about it.

@UreBesFrend Literally anything. You can't because the evidence doesn't exist.


Random anecdotes are not evidence of anything.


And ok. People OD in your city. Are you claiming you are telepathic and know exactly how every addict got there? Your argument gets more ridiculous the more you think it through.

@UreBesFrend Seeing as tobacco consumption in Canada is dropping every year and went down by 2% in 2020, 2 years after the legalization of Canabis, I'm going to call BS on your whole story. People don't go from smoking weed to hard drugs in a couple of months and even heroin addicts live a lot longer than that. Stop scaremongering and crawl back into your hole.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canadian-tobacco-nicotine-survey/2020-summary.html

@spjennifer Manitoba where I live 20 years ago had the 2nd highest number of female smokers in the entire country. Now the only people you see with cigarettes under like 60 are people from the Native community and that gets complicated because of cultural aspects of tobacco in that community.


Another way to look at their argument is this. The only connection between tobacco and cannabis is both can be smoked. By their logic insulin and heroin are the same because they are both injected. It is silly.

@UreBesFrend Stop fearmongering. Fake narratives like the one you just replicated just leads to further stigmatisation which the legalisation works against.

[quote]The fall of society is real.[/quote]

Evoking the collapse of society has always been a go to right wing/conservative and religious argument against progress. It is old and boring.

@Gloomy What makes this silly conservative argument even sillier is we know from archeological finds that reactionary conservatives have been whining about the fall of civilization since so far the oldest artifact found is 2800 BCE.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow you do know there is a big difference between ceremonial tobacco and the kind you smoke, right? I'd love to see you smoke one of those like a cigarette 😂

@SwampFlower I don't use tobacco at all. But where I live on a urban reserve btw the First Nations people here use cigarette tobacco for both for personal ceremonies. Most around here are too poor to buy both. The only time most of them see actually ceremonial tobacco is at a pow wow.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow okay. That could be the case where you're from. I just didn't feel it was fair to make a cultural argument about natives without mentioning that distinction.

I agreed with you up until that.

@SwampFlower Oh I agree. Unfortunately cultural practices can be subject to material conditions.

The people in my neighborhood who are First Nations are some of the most poor people in the entire city. Most of them ended up here because the Manitoba government flooded them out of their homes to build a hydro dam in the 80s.

Because back then the thought was "who cares if a bunch of indians lose their homes. Winnipeg is expanding."

And ironically they ended up here basically like refugees because they lost their homes to benefit this shithole city. lol

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm admittedly woefully ignorant when it comes to my Canadian brothers and sisters but I know they had it bad and with less awareness 💔

What was the name of the dam? I'd like to look this up.

@SwampFlower I will look it up and let you know.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow hey, thanks. And thanks for letting us have a civil debate/conversation.

@SwampFlower No problem. I am part Metis (both grandparents on my mom's side. Not sure what that works out to). So I learned about my ancestors moving from town to town from North Dakota, to Northern, Ontario, Canada after being chased out of various places and even my mom was told as kid to shut up about her mother's maiden name in Cold Lake, Alberta. I heard stories about doing your best to pass because the fear back then was the Metis kids were next for the residential schools of horror. So some of those struggles are part of my family history. Gets complicated in real life spaces when I look like the people blamed for that.


And not to make this more depressing but was done to various indigenous communities in the 80s and before is still going on.

https://rabble.ca/columnists/silence-dams-manitoba-hydros-keeyask-dam/

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You were chased out of towns? I am so sorry you went through that.

Having to pass is bullshit but I guess I'm a hypocrite because I changed my name for that reason :(

The generational trauma is real.

@SwampFlower Not myself personally, but my great grandparents experienced it and told us all about it. My mother was also told to be quiet when my grandfather was stationed in Cold Lake because rumours about her great grandfather were still around. Even my grandfather's mother had to bootleg in the 40s because a widowed Metis woman could not get legal work in rural areas. My grandfather talked about police raids as a small child.

It is all fucked up.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Agreed, I've been to Winnipeg a couple of times and have seen firsthand. This person's fearmongering is just like "Reefer madness" all over again, "OMG legalizing pot, it's going to be the downfall of our society!" The facts don't back that up, Stats Can says that consumption of cannabis hasn't risen, the only thing that's happened is that people are no longer being prosecuted for what was a petty crime.

@spjennifer Reminds me of right winges claiming legalizing gay marriage would result in zoophilia for some reason nobody could actually explain.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Or that legalizing abortions would mean there would be no more babies being born. I was living in Montreal and going to Uni in the days of the Morgentaler persecution in the late 70's and early 80's. Many Conservatives don't seem to have the ability to think independently, all they do is parrot what their right wing media tells them...

@spjennifer Some times it is hard to think about just how reactionary and powerful conservatives were in Quebec back then. Now in recent years for at least a decade they have had some of the most powerful and effective militant leftist student unions in the entire country and the Provincial government knows know to fuck around with them or they will find out.

@UreBesFrend The same thing happens where weed is [i]illegal[/i]. Legalizing it makes no difference, except it doesn't expose buyers to the criminal element. Legal weed also brings in tax revenue that can be spent on drug treatment programs instead of putting people in prison. Portugal tried this and drug use actually went down.

It's impossible to prevent people from doing something popular. We should have learned this during Prohibition, which didn't stop people from drinking, but did encourage a criminal enterprise to develop. And now conservatives are trying to outlaw abortion even though two-thirds of the country wants it to remain legal.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow


[quote]My mother was also told to be quiet when my grandfather was stationed in Cold Lake because [b]roomers[/b] about her great grandfather were still around[/quote]

Great spelling!

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