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Why do you oppose allowing states to decide their own abortion laws?

If you want to live in a state that allows abortion, you are free to reside in that state. If a woman wants an abortion, they are free to travel to that state and get an abortion. The tenth amendment gives states some degree of sovereignty:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

If it's not in the constitution, which abortion isn't, it's left up to the state to decide - as long as state laws don't violate the constitution. A woman's right to protect her own life is a constitutional right. All states that have abortion laws have a provision that allows women to terminate their pregnancy in those life-threatening situations. Beyond that, there's nothing in the constitution that would give a woman the right to murder her own baby.

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BlueVeins · 22-25

If it's not in the constitution, which abortion isn't, it's left up to the state to decide - as long as state laws don't violate the constitution.

It actually is in the Constitution. The First Amendment reads,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Prohibitions on abortion are overwhelmingly fueled by Christian fundamentalism; therefore, banning abortion is a way of establishing Christianity as the state religion and is unconstitutional.

A woman's right to protect her own life is a constitutional right. All states that have abortion laws have a provision that allows women to terminate their pregnancy in those life-threatening situations.

All pregnancy is life-threatening, babe; we're talking about a woman's organs getting stuffed up in the direction of her ribcage, and eventually, her vagina splitting so far apart as to push out an entire baby. The number of things that can go wrong for a woman in this situation, especially under a privatized healthcare system where not everyone can afford adequate maternity care, is quite high.

RocktheHouse · M

@BlueVeins Laws prohibiting an abortion isn't a religion. Thank you ! That makes me proud to know that Christians are at the forefront of the fight to end baby killing. Same as we were in other movements in this country like abolishing slavery and protecting women from being abused by their husbands, protecting children, etc.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@RocktheHouse

Laws prohibiting an abortion isn't a religion.

They're based on the idea that life begins at conception, so yeah they're pretty much explicitly religious.

Same as we were in other movmenrts in this country like abolishing slavery and protecting women from being abused by their husbands, protecting children, etc.

Buddy, I got bad news for you about the other side of those conflicts... 👀

dale74 · M

@BlueVeins it is not in the Constitution and having the birth of a child is not the protection of a woman's life when a procedure is performed that causes the loss of a child to save a mother's life it is not called an abortion. And any operation to save a mother's life that results in the unfortunately loss of the child is legal in every single state. Quit buying the Democratic talking points when they're not true just because of politician tells you you can't have a life-saving procedure doesn't mean they're being honest.

dale74 · M

@BlueVeins every endangered species is protected at conception therefore life starts at conception if they find a single-celled organism on another planet it's considered life excuse me but as soon as a sperm and egg join it is a single celled organism that very quickly doubles triples quadruples in size.

SW-User

@BlueVeins That is far and away the weakest, lamest attempt at a legal argument ever. Pure cringeworthy

BlueVeins · 22-25

@dale74

performed that causes the loss of a child to save a mother's life it is not called an abortion.

OK, well what if a procedure is performed that causes the loss of the fetus in order to avert a potential loss of life on the part of the woman? Like, what if the death isn't guaranteed?

every endangered species is protected at conception therefore life starts at conception

Babe, that's because our interactions with endangered species are catered towards keeping population sizes up.

if they find a single-celled organism on another planet it's considered life excuse me

And yet, killing bacteria isn't considered murder. Curious.

SW-User

@BlueVeins this is all plain gobbledygook. You been hitting the crack pipe early?

dale74 · M

@BlueVeins potential loss well you know you could have a potential loss of life by slipping and falling in a bathroom if the woman's life is in danger then yes it is legal potential potentials of slippery slope if a complication has not been detected or arisen then potential is of what if well what if everyone cared about life what if people didn't want more and wanted peace he could do what ifs all day long.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@dale74 you smell burnt toast?

easterniowegin · 51-55, M

@BlueVeins
A) every state that restricts abortion allows for treatment to save the mother's life, so that is a non-issue
B) creating a law that protects unborn lives is NOT akin to establishing a federal religion. The mental gymnastics there is impressive.
C) the idea that the process of mammalian procreation is somehow life-threatening is such bullshit. There may be anecdotal situations that can put the mother in danger, but those, as a standard, are few/far between. People having siblings isn't rare, bc mothers dying during the birthing process is rare.

dale74 · M

@BlueVeins no sometimes I actually have real things to take care of like my child that I love immensely

BlueVeins · 22-25

@easterniowegin 861 women died in childbirth in 2020; you'd have to be so fucking delusional to say that's not a danger. But I guess it's easy to hold those delusions in your day-to-day when you'll never have to face the reality for yourself.

creating a law that protects unborn lives is NOT akin to establishing a federal religion. The mental gymnastics there is impressive.

The idea of "unborn lives" in a moral sense is a religious concept in itself; secular morality is overwhelmingly based on the sentience standard, which first-trimester fetuses fail.

For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. … Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them

Jeremiah 139:13

It's a religious thing babe.

dale74 · M

@BlueVeins 125,000 abortions performed daily around the world.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@dale74 And what of it?

dale74 · M

@BlueVeins i have no problem with 18-25 yr olds ending their life should that no be a choice for control of your own body. And if you want to discuss control why not keep from getting your gf pregnant.

easterniowegin · 51-55, M

@BlueVeins but 3.6million live births makes the survival rate 99.98%. That is the very definition of anecdotal.

John Adams said that the US Constitution was created for a moral people and that it was wholly inadequate to any other. You're proving his point, sadly.

It is too bad that you feel only religious ppl have morals.
What are your thoughts on a double-homicide classification for killing a pregnant woman? That seems contradictory, right?!