Time to rename the 'abortion' debate the 'unwanted children' debate?

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It is more honest to say unwanted children, because that's what we're talking about

No. Abortion is about killing the unwanted children so is the accurate term

Children are wanted by someone, just not always their biological parents

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CountScrofula · 41-45, M

No because a fetus ain't a child. Like 70-75% of pregnancies end in miscarriage without the potential mother ever knowing. If a couple is "trying for a baby" this is often what happens. Eggs frequently get fertilized and fail to implant, or grow for a couple weeks before something goes wrong and the pregnancy fails.

If these are all full human lives, then why the hell aren't we treating this as an unintended holocaust? Billions upon billions of lives lost every year.

SW-User

@CountScrofula well people do talk about it in those terms

Scientifically, taking the philosophical debate around human life and its commencement out of the equation:

A blastocyst is a clump of cells
An embryo is a developing fetus
And a fetus is simply 'an unborn baby'

This video on fetal development is useful:

[media=https://youtu.be/N2e02QdzJgg]

sarabi · F

@CountScrofula think about all the frozen embryos, and all potential life giving semen, by that logic, that's basically half a baby

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@SW-User Well I absolutely believe that a fetus is alive. I just do not feel there is any moral or ethical issue with ending that life because it is such a routine part of our biology, ignoring the horrific consequences of forced childbirth on people.

SW-User

@CountScrofula but past a certain stage of development isn't birth inevitable, either a corpse or living child, and can't the baby survive outside the mother?

Grateful4you · M

@CountScrofula Sounds very reasonable. I'm pretty much of a mindset the issue should be the choice of women not from a court or the pulpit.

SW-User

@sarabi I think you might be missing a vital part of your education

1. Conception and fetal development
2. Logic

SW-User

@Grateful4you so you have no developmental cut off?

Grateful4you · M

@SW-User Please clarify. If you mean developmental sequence of a newborn it's been decades since I studied that.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@SW-User The problem with developmental cut offs is that later abortions are almost always -wanted- pregnancies that have gone horribly wrong. and you can't detect those abnormalities until well into the second trimester. I think its the quad test at 18 weeks right?

And by abnormalities I mean ones where the mother is forced to give birth to a baby who has already died, or will die horribly after a very short life.

Here's a short article that was pretty compelling for me.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/late-term-abortion-rape_n_5c630b8de4b0a8731aeabbd6

SW-User

@Grateful4you the video I link. gives a very quick rundown

Grateful4you · M

@SW-User Great. Thank you hon.

SW-User

@CountScrofula If a baby has died it isn't an abortion.

I have issues with the term 'almost always' having read accounts from abortion nurses forced to participate in the abortions of healthy & viable babies on the basis of sex or small developmental issues

I think many abortion providers hate performing abortions on second and third trimester babies, yet rarely are women informed of that

I'll read your article. 😊

sarabi · F

@SW-User I am missing logic? Ok 👍🏼😂