th3r0n · 41-45, M
As one with medical knowledge, I can say that most medical treatments work for at least some people, but nearly all of those put forward for use in the US have a cost, damage something else
Anything that can help without hurting is usually better when things aren't utterly desperate, and sometimes when things are actually desperate
Anything that can help without hurting is usually better when things aren't utterly desperate, and sometimes when things are actually desperate
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th3r0n · 41-45, M
@Bleak it is, and it is logically sound and reinforced by¹ copious amounts of proof
It's not really an item for debate so much as an established fact that the modern medical industry as a whole is damaging to the point that those who don't go to doctors are healthier than those who do
It's not really an item for debate so much as an established fact that the modern medical industry as a whole is damaging to the point that those who don't go to doctors are healthier than those who do
Iknowyourouttheresomewhere · 56-60, M
Well stated 👍
ArishMell · 70-79, M
I agree entirely and have replied to some posts voicing medical worries by saying it's their doctor they should ask.
I'd not previously seen that phrase "Disease Modifying Therapies" but if I were ill enough to need treatment I'd want a cure or if that's not possible, then control and alleviation as far as possible. I would not want the disease merely "modifying".
I wonder how many of those campaigning against proven treatments have ever suffered the disease in question, or been close to someone who has.
I'd not previously seen that phrase "Disease Modifying Therapies" but if I were ill enough to need treatment I'd want a cure or if that's not possible, then control and alleviation as far as possible. I would not want the disease merely "modifying".
I wonder how many of those campaigning against proven treatments have ever suffered the disease in question, or been close to someone who has.
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
When I was a kid, doctors looked at my symptoms and said I was doing it for attention. After that an eye specialist looked in and saw the tumour behind my right eye.
Then after that had been cut out my problems persisted and this time I was told to take Paracetamol 4 times daily. Then one said I was Schizophrenic another said I was Dyslexic and a third said I had Epillipsy.
An Aboriginal Medicine man couldn't work it out either but said I should try the blood specialist and Neurologist again.
Who said I have the symptoms of all three and diagnosed me with Tuberous Sclerosis and sent me home with Paracetamol again.
But now I get to have an MRI every two years and sign this form so my family don't sue in case I die from this blue shit they inject in my veins before the MRI.
Then after that had been cut out my problems persisted and this time I was told to take Paracetamol 4 times daily. Then one said I was Schizophrenic another said I was Dyslexic and a third said I had Epillipsy.
An Aboriginal Medicine man couldn't work it out either but said I should try the blood specialist and Neurologist again.
Who said I have the symptoms of all three and diagnosed me with Tuberous Sclerosis and sent me home with Paracetamol again.
But now I get to have an MRI every two years and sign this form so my family don't sue in case I die from this blue shit they inject in my veins before the MRI.
Bleak · 36-40, F
@Thevy29 That sounds like a really difficult journey. I’m sorry you had to go through so many misdiagnoses before finally getting some answers. It’s stories like yours that remind us how important it is to keep asking questions, seek second opinions when needed, and find the right specialist.
FloorGenAdm · 51-55, M
Can't my boss just trust me saying that I don't feel well without this pricey healthcare that feels like extortion or some kind of racket?
Bleak · 36-40, F
@FloorGenAdm I think it’s something that deserves attention.
MarineBob · 61-69, M
But dr fraudi said to self diagnose
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
Tell that to mask/vaccine bullies.
Bleak · 36-40, F
@MrBrownstone My point is broader than that.
The idea is supposed to be that people try alternative therapies alongside whatever their physician tells them to do.
If you break your leg, you don't get a cast on it and say "I don't want crutches, because it has a cast on it now". You accept all the help that MAY be beneficial to your healing journey.
Of course, some people require traction and others don't... whatever benefits them.
It's the same with alternative medicine. I had acupuncture, but I didn't come off my pain pills until I felt that my treatment had a good handle on my pain - why??? Because it worked for me - and it would have been silly to stop too soon.
When people find something that really works for them, they want others to benefit from it in the same way they did - so maybe they are a bit too pushy with it... but nothing stops you from agreeing with them and not getting the treatment because you don't feel like it's the answer for you.
If you break your leg, you don't get a cast on it and say "I don't want crutches, because it has a cast on it now". You accept all the help that MAY be beneficial to your healing journey.
Of course, some people require traction and others don't... whatever benefits them.
It's the same with alternative medicine. I had acupuncture, but I didn't come off my pain pills until I felt that my treatment had a good handle on my pain - why??? Because it worked for me - and it would have been silly to stop too soon.
When people find something that really works for them, they want others to benefit from it in the same way they did - so maybe they are a bit too pushy with it... but nothing stops you from agreeing with them and not getting the treatment because you don't feel like it's the answer for you.
Bleak · 36-40, F
@HootyTheNightOwl My concern is only when personal experiences are presented as recommendations for everyone, especially if they discourage people from evidence\based treatment. That’s the distinction I was trying to make.
Ann99 · 41-45, F
Well said Sharing experiences is helpful, but medical decisions belong between a patient and their doctor.
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Adroneandastrain · 46-50, M
Yes, a see a doc should be all we say really.
Jonjdw · 51-55, M
Take everything everybody says with a grain of salt.
Where is advice out there that may be able to help you
But yes, you are right. Every person is different.
And also in life is that there are things that some people just cannot do the others can.
I’m going to resist veering off now leading this into a different realm of discussion.
Where is advice out there that may be able to help you
But yes, you are right. Every person is different.
And also in life is that there are things that some people just cannot do the others can.
I’m going to resist veering off now leading this into a different realm of discussion.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Jonjdw Not a medical topic?
Jonjdw · 51-55, M
@MrBrownstone no. But I never got vaccinated and only wore a mask when I had to. I had to wear a mask at work and in stores.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Jonjdw That is fine. I was ok with people doing what worked for them
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Been trying for decades, just to get the point across, that everyone is different. 🤷🏻♂
They don't want to understand even that! 😞
To them it's a liberal point of view.
They don't want to understand even that! 😞
To them it's a liberal point of view.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
I think your point is made very well again by some of the replies here which pretend to be medical advice but come from unsupervised and untested 'research'.
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