Might you consider death the most painful loss of life...

@LuciliaLucyfer the point is... you don't know.. nor do i.. so we should really be very careful of spouting like we know .. and the point is.. life is only suffering for some people, and that suffering has been known to improve.. and like I say.. those who commit suicide often regret it.. who knows how many of those who are successful actually regretted it in their last moments. we don't know!! to talk about it like we do know is so self-serving

re the people with near death experiences.. yes that's ONE aspect of data.. and it supports what I said.. that those who died mostly wanted to live// and are glad they did.. wanting to die is very different from not being scared of it.. even those who aren't scared tend to still want to live.. unless they are suicidal which is an entirely diferent matter..

re the pain. yes but who wants to go through what might be agonising pain.. say of being shot.. stabbed, beaten.. its not a picnic..

I am off to bed soon and will leave you to your musings.. but it seems to me that when you grow up you might think very differently on these things ie when you get some real experience of life and people

@Adaydreambeliever First of all, you're treating this as if what I said was in support of suicide, which is a serious straw-man. I never said anything about suicide, I don't think this philosophy disproves or proves suicidal mentality, and thats coming from someone who has experienced a lot of suicidal thoughts and tries, on both a personal and interpersonal level. Also, I feel like you're entirely missing the point of philosophy, especially the kind of philosophy Im bringing up. Also, based on the data of those people, they were neither against nor for dying. They didn't WANT to live, but they didn't WANT to die. Which actually proves my point about attachment. Also, I feel as though I was able to give you the empirical data you seemingly wanted, but the moment you had it, you didn't really care and kept going.

@Adaydreambeliever Also, I would mention, most of what you just said is essentially trying to devalue what I said, instead of argue against it. You use age against me in the last bit, as if I don't have enough life experiences, which age doesn't exactly matter, because plenty of people older than even you have the same opinion as I do here. Im sure they just have more life experiences than you. You also bring up the fact that I haven't died before, which is a fair criticism, but the problem with that is that im using philosophy to talk about this, im not directly saying I know it must be liberating, just why using that philosophical reasoning, you could assume it is. But even then, I provided you with empirical data.

@Adaydreambeliever Well said.

@SW-User I agree. It alone remains an event of which we've no control.

@Beatbox34 I concur.

@rickfreeman15 One has a choice.

@SW-User Life happens right now. This moment.

When I/you get older.... It will be right now when it happens.

What we watch remains a relative concept.

@Tibby You been smoking that weed again? 🤨

@Tastyfrzz Indeed. The opposite of death if not life.... For life is eternal.

The opposite of death is birth. Space created for something new to enter life.

@okaybut Interesting. I value, give attention to....honor, what ever the present moment includes.

@Tibby So being in the present? Mindfulness? Or controlling your thoughts and actions in the now?

@SW-User May she rest in peace in the warmth of your memories.

@Tibby she does thank you

@SW-User Acceptance is powerful indeed.