What will keep Great Britain great? short answers please!

@LegendofPeza Actually I am pro Brexit, but for a completely different set of reasons to do with Europes future. I just think its a shifty way they have gone about it. And by setting the price of Brexit high and making it difficult the EU has played into the Hard Brexit peoples hands.

@whowasthatmaskedman ' I am pro Brexit, but for a completely different set of reasons to do with Europes future.' - Why , may I ask ?

@LegendofPeza who would you have as Labour leader, might I ask?

+10% increase share ain't bad for three years.

@Burnley123 A pro-European for starters , and someone who doesn't act like it's still 1970.

Labour should be killing the Tories in the polls now , but do you honestly think the country would elect Corbyn under any circumstances ?

@LegendofPeza But your not specific.

If labour ditched corbyn and went all out remain, it would lead to a vote collapse. I want someone I see as authentic, not a technocrat.

@LegendofPeza Sure.. Economic ones. The nature of the Member states generally is compromise to the lowest common denominator. That means hard decisions will not be made until it is too late to make them. We can see this with the current Greek financial dramas. Now add Spain, Portugal , Ireland. And Italy is on the edge as well. The strong financial states carrying the load are Germany and to a lesser extent, France. And this wont go on forever as promises are broken again and again. I see the EU in decline, due to its own failure to be tough on its members. And Britain, while Brexit will hurt, will be spared that.

@whowasthatmaskedman I think the big mistake the EU made was the rapid expansion to 27 states , incorporating countries which had no right ,either financially or philosophically , to becoming part of the project. The expansion which so aggrieved Moscow led to the interference we are seeing now from the Russians and had a hand in both Brexit and the election of that idiot in the US. The EU and NATO is in grave danger today largely due to the cataclysmic decisions made by Brussels to incorporate Central and Eastern European countries into the union. Luckily , they dodged a bullet with Turkey.

@Burnley123 After seven years away , I don't really follow British politics as much as I should so wouldn't know who might be in contention. Off the top of my head though , wouldn't Yvette Cooper be a credible choice ? I remember her being talked off as a future leader not so long ago. Or would she be tainted by her husband , assuming they're still married ?

@LegendofPeza I'm judging her by her own politics, not by her husband. Prior to Corbyn, labour had a manifesto that was close to the tories and got 33% of the vote.

@Burnley123 And in the last election he achieved just 30%. You think he'd do much better if an election was called today ?

No. He got 40% in the last election. Not a massive Tory majority.

@Burnley123 Oops , my mistake. The question still remains though , can you realistically see the Labour Party achieving a majority of the vote in a general election under Corbyn ?

@LegendofPeza I can see it but a more likely event would be a Labour minority govt or coalition.

I think corbyn had flaws electorally but advantages too. He does better with the young, working class and the left (which matters for turnout) but is less popular with the middle class liberals who liked Blair. I also think Labour going full remain would cost us electorally even though I kind of want that myself.

Comparisons with Milo and are instructive, also with the social democratic parties of Europe.

Maybe we'll disagree on this but I have my reasons as you have yours.

@Burnley123 It actually saddens me. If there is one politician who I'd align with most closely on ideology and policy then it would be Corbyn. Three of the biggest issues of my lifetime have been a just and lasting peace for Ireland , the Iraq War and the struggle for self-determination for the Palestinian people. That he has supported all three things and somehow still managed to become leader of the Labour Party ,and have a realistic chance of becoming PM is actually quite amazing when you think about it.

BUT his anti-european stance (and the now obsolete , and frankly dishonest , reasons for it) fucks it all up for me. At a truly momentous time in history his unwillingess to put country before his own prejudices is unforgivable. This is the guy who said he would represent ordinary Labour members but just cannot seem to get over himself. I don't know how all this ends but I fear his stubborness , and ultimate failure , is all that he will eventually be remembered for.

@LegendofPeza I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

@silmarilion456 Fukin 'ell , who rattled your cage ?