Will women earn more or be the main "breadwinners" in the future?

I haven't been on for some time so I thought I'd kick off with a controversial question again. This particularly relevant since the wage gap scandals that are popping up everywhere.

I came across the topic in reading for an essay and found loads of mainstream news sites and research predicting women taking the lead in work and education. Since more women going to university in men and now for the first time in many countries more women are in work than men.

From this come predictions for more men staying home while their female partner works and also females taking most leadership and best payed positions within work and government in the next 20 or 30 years. Men becoming "homemakers" en masse sounds a little far fetched to me but again people are saying it will likely happen.

This is by no means a feminist rant or anything as I just find all of this interesting rather than empowering or whatever.

Do you think there will be a shift like this or it's just sensationalist trash?

Also, on a side note, how would you all like living in a world like that?

If you'd like links to my reading for this, shoot me a pm 🙂

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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

Pc culture is forcing companies to give them jobs they aren't qualified for (thats not to say there aren't educated women that I respect). And it's demonstrably creating problems

ElvishPresley · 22-25, T

@pianoplayingsteve Very true.

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@ElvishPresley this pc culture loves to go on about women's rights and racism. Yet I have a disability (and I think the only true disadvantaged people are the disabled, it's in the name) but no I'm a straight white male and I don't whine about things so I don't really matter

ElvishPresley · 22-25, T

@pianoplayingsteve They just want special treatment at this point. Most of the problems they mention with racism and women's rights hardly exist in most first world countries, people couldn't care less about your skin colour or gender.

Places like the middle east are where the real problems are.

Ridger · 26-30, F

@ElvishPresley When you say something like women's rights only being real in the Middle East, you need to understand that problems are relative. In our society which is much fairer, it is easier to see the smaller problems where as all we see in the East is the problem of women being treated like property.

I would never dream saying that women here have it harder than women in the East but I would say without hesitation that we do have it harder than men in the West.

Once you spot a problem you can fix, the obvious response would be to fix it rather than point to a bigger problem somewhere else that you can't fix and say that the smaller problem isn't really that bad in comparison.

ElvishPresley · 22-25, T

@Ridger What can't you do in America that a man can do?

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@ElvishPresley there are some real feminists protesting against rapes committed by migrants. So actual rape. Their movement is called 120db. These fake feminists have proudly stated that they know that branding victims nazis makes it hard for the rape victims to speak out. And then they will do some protest about freeing their vagina and dressing like a slut... But the happily overly cover up to show Muslims how tolerant they are

Ridger · 26-30, F

@ElvishPresley I'm from the UK so I'm not sure about America. Here though there are a few things. I can't serve as a frontline solider in any of the forces, I wasn't allowed to wear trousers at all when going to school because of uniform policy and I can't expect to get an equally payed job in lots of industries as the last couple of months have shown. I could go on.

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Ridger I'm from the UK, still waiting for the feminists to protest about how the Rotherham rape gangs were ignored

ElvishPresley · 22-25, T

@Ridger Most women wouldn’t be able serve as a frontline soldier because a lot of women (not all) are not physically strong enough to cope on the battlefield which would not only endanger herself but also her teammates for the sake of what? It is not a risk worth taking.

It is illegal for women to be paid less than a man just because she is a woman and has been for 50 years. If it was allowed, owners would prefer to hire women because they would be cheaper to employ, but we don’t see that happening because most companies don’t have pay gaps. It is commonly misrepresented with not very accurate statistics.

Ridger · 26-30, F

@pianoplayingsteve This will sound unpopular for me to but I wouldn't really consider myself a feminist. You're right in saying that some people have taken things too far and trivialised a lot. I would never ignore things like that and I wouldn't gloss over the bad things of religious system out of fear of offending someone.

Rotherham was terrible and it is stupid to say Islam was a big part of it however, just by raising that issue you have conceaded that there are big women's rights issues even here.

Also, your last post made it seem like it only happens with migrants or in other countries which was extremely insensitive. A close friend of mine has been effected deeply by "true rape" as you call it and there wasn't a single migrant involved. So please don't make sweeping statements.

Ridger · 26-30, F

@ElvishPresley Most men wouldn't be able to serve as a frontline soldier today either but that doesn't exclude the ones who can. Just because some women wouldn't be able to doesn't mean that all shouldn't.

And yet here we have pay scandals left right and centre. Preferential employment is also in force in many and has been admitted by some politicians since a woman who wants to get married and have a child is considered a liability.

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@ElvishPresley thanks for pointing out the fact that if women were really paid less then companies would only employ women. Problem is, when you show them how stupid their argument is, they will act like you are the stupid one for making the stupid argument, even though it's actually theirs

Ridger · 26-30, F

@pianoplayingsteve As I just said, there a more factors like pregnancy to take into account.

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Ridger why aren't 'feminists' campaigning for more female representation in the sewage sector? And if biological gender doesn't exist, according to them, how is it possible that women were ever oppressed? I mean I thought gender was a spectrum

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Ridger exactly, conveniently the scientific method of looking at countless other variables doesn't count with feninism

ElvishPresley · 22-25, T

@pianoplayingsteve You’ve hit the nail on the head steve.

These false feminists are people who just enjoy playing the victim card. Its really like they are living in a fantasy dystopia and there’s just no way to convince them otherwise.

Ridger · 26-30, F

@pianoplayingsteve I don't know, you should ask them. Don't make me responsible for a group that I have said I'm not really a part of. You don't assume all white people are in the kkk so don't assume every woman wanting fair treatment is a radical too.

You're the one who keeps bringing up feminism.

Ridger · 26-30, F

@ElvishPresley What nail. You have used tactics of the very group you seem to dislike so much. I bring up valid points of concern, you largely ignore my points and talk about something unrelated that I don't even hold too. It's like you aren't listening and isn't that what radical feminists today are accused of, engaging in a monologue with society while acting as if they want a discussion?

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@ElvishPresley thank you my friend. However I'm now not just going to hit the nail on the head. I'm going to hit the specific nail on the specific part. Some random Muslim living in the middle east has no empathy for these feminists to blackmail them over. They also have no wealth or power for them to take. However, these dominantly white, wealthy westerners have a conscience they can blackmail and the wealth and power worth blackmailing them over

pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M

@Ridger that's because he's talking to me I don't think he's meaning to ignore you :)