Trump Innocent/Hillary Guilty

@Pitchblue [quote]You people are so gullible[/quote]

Ironic statement of the year there.

Manafort was pinched for not properly registering as a lobbyist.
Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.

Neither had anything to do with the Russian collusion hoax.

Pretty sure the rest of your nonsense is easily dismissed as well.

@SumKindaMunster Manafort was working with Ukraine politicians and laundered 30 million give or take. Manafort was alligned with a Pro Russia faction in Ukraine led by Viktor Yanukovych. Manafort became a campaign manager for Viktor and helped Yanukovych become President of Ukraine in 2010. Yanukovych eventually fled back to Russia in 2014 and Manafort became Trump's campaign manager in 2016 but was fired because of his contacts with Russia. While investigating his contacts with Russia Manafort uncovered fraud, money laundering, tax evasion. No Russia Contacts, right?

@Pitchblue [quote]No Russia Contacts, right?[/quote]

Is that what the argument is? I thought it was how gullible you are just like those you seek to condemn.

Hey while you are researching Ukrainian lobbyists, go look up Tony Podesta who did many of the same things Manafort did, but he was allowed to retroactively register as a lobbyist, but they didn't give that privilege to Manafort for some reason.

[quote] One of Washington’s most powerful lobbying firms did not disclose the wide extent of its lucrative political work for a Ukrainian group tied to both onetime Trump adviser Paul Manafort and to pro-Russian politicians, new records show.

The firm, the Podesta Group, said nothing in a 2012 lobbying report to Congress about at least 32 meetings, emails and other communications it had with the State Department, at a time when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was scrutinizing Ukraine’s upcoming election, records show.

The new disclosures shed light on the web of contacts between Russian-leaning Ukrainians, Washington lobbyists and U.S. policymakers during the Obama administration. The Podesta Group filed new, detailed lobbying disclosures in April to augment lobbying reports from 2012 to 2014 that had given little detail.

The firm is run by Tony Podesta, whose brother, John, is a longtime adviser to Clinton and was chairman of her 2016 presidential campaign. John Podesta was a senior counselor to President Barack Obama in 2014 and had previously been lobbying partners with his brother. He is not currently affiliated with his brother’s firm. [/quote]

@SumKindaMunster Go look up Clarence Thomas.

@Pitchblue I don't you have a leg stand on. Even your pitch is convoluted. You have made up a bunch of stuff. Your hatred does not make him guilty.

@Pitchblue So we are changing the subject again, huh?

You ever defend your beliefs with a skeptic? Might do ya some good.

@SumKindaMunster I don't think she has!

@MarthannBann888 Which would be unfortunate considering this person's entire profile is angry, biased screeds against Trump and other conservatives.

@SumKindaMunster 2012 so Victor Yanukovich was President at the time and the State Department was scrutinizing the upcoming election. Was Hillary suspected of working with the Russians? Did she publicly ask the Russians for help? Did she have business deals that she denied in Russia? Did the entire State dept lie about having secret deals with Russia, like dropping sanctions.

@Pitchblue We don't know. It wasn't investigated, so all we know is what they stated.

I assume your response is suggesting Trump did all those things. While I don't have handy rebuttals for all of them, I can say if you are referring to Trump asking Russia for "help" in locating Hillary Clinton's missing emails, and you believe that was a serious request, you might want to rethink that stance. Only the most dense or stubborn people really believe that was a serious request and not a joke at the media's expense.

You gonna pick up the conversation thread here or just spew random disgruntlements and expect me to address them?

@SumKindaMunster Trump aked Russia to find missing e mails. On the same day phishing emails started coming to Clintons office and all email accounts used by Clinton's campaign. Trump also predicted he would be releasing some very important information regarding the election.

@Pitchblue [quote]Trump aked Russia to find missing e mails.[/quote]

No he didn't. He made a joke about it at the media's expense.

[quote]On the same day phishing emails started coming to Clintons office and all email accounts used by Clinton's campaign[/quote]

Bullshit. Post your source.

[quote]Trump also predicted he would be releasing some very important information regarding the election.[/quote]

He says a lot of shit. You take everything he says at face value, or just what supports what you already believe?

@SumKindaMunster Right, your choice for POTUS spews verbal diarrhea and nothing he says can be trusted.
In a 29 page indictment against 12 Russians the Justice Dept said, Trump publically asked the Russians to do something and privately, they turned around and did exactly what he requested. It says that on July 27 2016 the conspirators spearfished individuals affiliated with the Clinton Campaign.

@Pitchblue Bullshit. Even if true it doesn't prove Trump was working with the Russians. Its not a secret they were interfering in the election. There's no proof it was at his behest.

@SumKindaMunster That Justice Department was the Trump Justice Dept 2018.
I'm sure you'll say the Trump Tower Meeting where Russians offered dirt on Hillary and Jr. said "If it's what you say, I Love It." and arranged the meeting was all just a jokes too.
Russian Adoptions. 😜

@Pitchblue I love how in your world, Trump spews verbal diarrhea and nothing he says can be trusted...

...while also simultaneously being a master spy, so deep undercover that an investigation from the most powerful government on earth, could not find.

Trump is getting indicted left and right for every little thing right now, what's your explanation as to why he hasn't been arrested for treason? I mean, what you clearly believe is that this is treason and he got away with it.

How did he do that? You gonna concoct some child's tale about Bill Barr and Rudy Guilianni running interference when the entire LEO arm of the US Government was looking for evidence of this? How much longer you gonna cling to this fantasy while every day some new revelation comes out showing this was all smoke and mirrors?

@SumKindaMunster You said, He says a lot of shit. 30,000 public lies/misinformation while President. His own lawyers have said he wouldn't be able to tell the truth if he was under oath, a perjury trap. Trump is not in jail because he has a billion dollars to spend on lawyers, to stall these criminal cases. He also gets special treatment as an X President. Not even Garland wanted to put the guy in jail. A president in jail looks bad. Its never happened before. Do we put secret service in jail with him? Jack Smith is going to change all that. Trump is a criminal he incited an insurrection, he stole top secret documents, he sexually assaulted E Jean Carroll.

@Pitchblue [quote]Jack Smith is going to change all that[/quote] 😂

Sure, just like Robert Meuller. Or James Comey?

Again, the irony is thick as you are manipulated, again and again, to believe THIS time, this is the time, Trump is going down.

Will you ever acknowledge you were lied to about this?

It's amusing to me that you are so like the most delusional Trump supporter, believing what you want to believe, and continuing to believe lies that have been debunked over and over.

@SumKindaMunster It's not what I believe. The Marco Rubio led Senate Intel Committee said Trump/Russia is not a hoax. That there were many interactions between Russian Inteligence and Senior Trump Campaign Officials. That the Trump Campaign/Admin lied to Congress about Russian contacts. Manafort was in regular contact with Konstantin Kolimnick, a Russian Intelligence Officer. Manafort gave election information to Kolimnick. The Senate committee determined that the Roger Stone with direction of Trump knew when WikiLeaks would dump information and that Trump asked Stone to get the stolen Podesta emails dumped after the Access Hollywood tapes went public. Even after Trump was informed that WikiLeaks was an arm of Russian Intelligence he said things like I Love WikiLeaks and promoted them 130 times in the last month of his campaign.

SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE LED BY MARCO RUBIO not what I believe.

@SumKindaMunster Semantics. You can't face the fact that the Republican Justice Dept, that a Republican led Intel Committee and Robert Mueller all said the Trump Campaign was definitely in contact with Russian Intelligence Officials.

@Pitchblue [quote]Semantics[/quote] No, its not semantics. 😂

You can't even say what you believe.

Is that because you know its nonsense and I will mock you for believing in bullshit just like Trump supporters?

@SumKindaMunster I give you facts, you say bullshit. Typical braindead Trumpfan. You are a waste of time. You have a nosering and a leash hanging from the ring.

@Pitchblue I'm sorry that your name calling and double talking is not having the affect you hoped. 😘

It's been fun exposing you as the brain dead crank you claim everyone else is.

Anything else?

@SumKindaMunster Yes. You are projecting.