Dear Americans .... what are your suggestions on appeasing the gun crime in USA?

@SumKindaMunster was this you?

@SumKindaMunster so you stand by your statement hundreds of dead school children every year are an acceptable price to have a gun in a safe?

@NerdyPotato Did I say that? How's about you stuff your strawman responses and speak to me relevantly?

Can you?

@SumKindaMunster not with so many words. But are you saying that more should be done then? In that case: why all the talk about tradeoffs?

@NerdyPotato My message is the following:

I have no patience or consideration for Western Europeans who think they know what America is like, and spend a ridiculous amount of time shaming Americans for their issues. If you wish to speak to me about it, know that is my underlying message and I am not really interested in what Europeans think Americans should do. You don't know shit about this country.

Focus on fixing your own country, or emigrate here and be the change you wanna see here.

@SumKindaMunster so you're not going to clarify/correct your public opinion because I'm not your neighbor. Okay. Your first reply was clear enough that you chose a very appropriate name anyway. Enjoy your day.

@NerdyPotato That was my opinion. I'm sorry if you didn't get that or it upset you.

You wanna sit here and pontificate about America and Americans but when challenged by one about your indoctrinated opinion you turn tail and run home.

Big surprise. 🤣

Go back to your safe space. 🙄

@SumKindaMunster lol, have you even looked at my profile? I complain about horrible Dutch policies often enough and you're more than welcome to criticize our government too. You don't have to live here to read about what's going on here and have an opinion on that.

No need to be sorry. You are entitled to your opinion. But I'll never understand being okay with hundreds of children being killed and thousands being traumatized every year just so you are a little safer on the off-chance someone choses to break into your house and your locks happen to fail right that moment.

@NerdyPotato
I understand that. Do you find that a lot of people take you up on that offer? No offense, but its not of interest to me.


Ok again, I did not say that. My point was, for the 3rd time now, that I don't appreciate Western Europeans condescending to Americans about their issues and acting like we should listen to you or defer to you for solutions. We aren't interested.

I certainly am not ok with children being killed for any reason, are you? Do you spend this much time worrying about children in Central America, or India, or Myanmar? Children die everyday there as well, albeit perhaps not from gun violence. Do you think Western children matter more or something?

Have you ever asked yourself why you care more about American issues than your own?

@SumKindaMunster a few people do take me up on that offer, yes. And it's ok that you're not interested in Dutch politics. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be interested in American politics though. I have a lot of friends there and I care about their safety.

That was your first point, but you also literally said: "We accept it".

And of course I care about children in other places too. What did I say that made you even think that Western children are more important? I didn't share my opinion about hunger and disease here because this thread was about gun violence.

@NerdyPotato
Uh huh, and this is why I called you out for being a strawman. I am speculating here that you are assuming I am ok with this, when I am not. It's ridiculous, childish and provocative for you to immediately assume that I am perfectly fine with children dying of gun violence. I am not. Stop trying to impose purity tests on me and assuming because I am not interested in hearing European solutions that I am ok with children dying. Grow up.


The same fucking bullshit you are trying to hang on me, strawman responses. It's annoying isn't it? It has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, but that doesn't stop you from throwing them out there. I made a unfair assumption about you and judged you for my assumption.

It's shitty, and if you want people to speak to you more earnestly and with relevance you would do well to cut it from your repatoire.

@SumKindaMunster how do you accept it without being okay with it? Aren't those the same thing?

I'm only asking about what you literally wrote. That's not a strawman. I'm not the one who brought up hunger or Dutch politics. That was you.

@NerdyPotato Are you familiar with the serenity prayer?


Accepting something doesn't mean you like it and wish it would continue. You accept that this is the reality of things and you react accordingly.

We really going to argue the meaning of the word "accept"?


Oh bullshit. Where did I say this?


Or this:


You got called out for your shitty behavior. It happened, and if you want to live in the world of denial, you go right ahead but spare me your bullshit.

@SumKindaMunster yes, I'm familiar with that. But gun violence can be reduced significantly, so that falls in the category "Courage to change the things I can", not "accept the things I cannot change".

You said you accept hundreds of deaths and thousands of traumatized children to have a gun here:
And we don't need to define "accept" there, because that's the literal word you used.

And I never claimed you made that NRA quote.

@SumKindaMunster not much a response....fix your own problems. We are not killing 3 children a day through gun violence.

@NerdyPotato usa, where an unborn child has more rights than those living

@SumKindaMunster I'll refrain from further questions because you haven't even answered my first one and probably never will, so there is no point in asking anything else.

@NerdyPotato So let me get this straight...you came back here after 3 hours and decided to post yet another childish provocation in a transparently stubborn attempt to try and gain the upper hand here??? 🤣

Anything else?

...thanks for this by the way, I'm always gratified when I can see demonstrated to me what a phony, disingenuous, childish, craven debater people are here. It's a common trait of smug, entitled Western Europeans who have been indoctrinated to believe all the problems in the world stem from America...

...but you will pretend you are a sincere person happy to have a spirited debate.

Nope! You're just another insecure indoctrinate desperately trying to dominate others with your well worn curated opinion. 😘

@BabyLonia Hm, and if you are so concerned about children, what are you doing to ensure innocent children aren't victimized by someone like Jimmy Saville..?

Guy raped and abused hundreds of children and you all looked the other way and let him die without facing consequences.

What are you doing to ensure poor innocent children in Great Britain aren't victimized like that again?

Ya know, since we are hanging the entire history and actions of our respective countries on each other and demanding its citizens do something about it?

@SumKindaMunster such immature debating when you use whataboutism and that too over incidents that happened decades ago.....but since you ask i volunteer with a number of children's charities in the UK and am part of a task force that reports online pedophilia to the authorities but this has nothing to do with the fact that you clearly do not care about the 3 children that die from gunshot wounds every day in the USA

@BabyLonia It does actually, it demonstrates to you the offense and annoyance that I, and other Americans feel, when disconnected foreigners who know nothing of America, arrogantly demand we respond to your satisfaction about what we should do about our problems.

Did you appreciate it?
Did it make you feel unfairly judged and accused?


Do you? Do you really? What is this volunteering you speak of? You actually go out, and spend your free time assisting children's charities? Or are you part of some online forum, just like this one where you go around demanding everyone think and do what you say?


It doesn't, you are correct about that. Just like this doesn't have anything to do with my comments, nor my feelings, nor my beliefs.

You just want to judge and shame Americans as some sort of pathetic way to feel better about yourself. You should be spending more time assisting those children you are volunteering for. You expect me to believe you couldn't do more? What if you used all the time you use here arguing dumb issues and spent it volunteering for children? Maybe you wouldn't care so much about a country thousands of miles away that you have no idea about.

@SumKindaMunster
No...because it is something that i was angry about, its just you are discussing what action i took on something that happened decades ago and only came to light after the man was dead.... but i would want people all over the world to comment on a story like this as it was disgraceful but the whole cover up was just as bad.....there is no shame in me if people are finding deplorable things deplorable.



Yes i do! I won't go into it vecause you probably won't believe me and i won't give evidence because i need tonsafeguard those kids....but yes i work hard at supporting kids


I have family with young kids in america .... none of this is about making me feel better....and yes i do hope that those americans who ignore the level of gun violence will eventually wake up and say enough is enough

@BabyLonia I appreciate your relevant response.


Regarding Saville? I'm not sure you guys didn't know about it, a lot of people did, its just that they were shamed and ignored because of his status. It was only after he died that your culture allowed discussion of it and acknowledged his crimes.


Good, keep it up. They need you and I would imagine its very fulfilling to do so.


We may, but I assure you browbeating us on social media forums is not the way to go about making a difference.

I appreciated knowing what you do, and that you put time into your passions. That made way more of an impression on me than anything you said before that. It's inspirational. If others are out there trying to make a difference, why shouldn't all of us?