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I Think That When Guns Are Outlawed Only Outlaws Will Have Gun

Many are shouting about keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. Like the others it is a feel good solution that will have dire consequences and will have zero effectiveness in curbing the violence.

Mental illness can be very hard to identify since there is no kind of official test for most conditions, most people are diagnosed according to the [b]subjective[/b] opinions of the doctors that observe them. What makes anyone think that a doctor is neutral? We have seen plenty of activist judges, doctors are human as well and many have an agenda!

In the dictionary of mental illnesses, known as DSM-5, published by the American Psychiatric Association, there is actually a condition listed for people who have a problem with authority. Oppositional Defiant Disorder is a name that psychiatrists made up to identify children who won’t do what they are told, and now even adults are being diagnosed with this condition as well. It important to note it is doctors that sit around a conference table deciding what goes into the DSM. The DSM is a tool that is used so when diagnosed they can prescribe. Note also that big pharma spends aprox 40K per year per doctor to get them to prescribe.

A policy like this could also allow the government to disarm dissidents and political enemies. As psychiatry became more influential towards the middle of the 20th century, rulers around the world began using “mental illness” as an excuse to lock away anyone who might disagree with them. The Soviet regime became notorious for this practice by labeling all political dissidents as “mentally ill” so they could be locked away in institutions where they were no threat to the establishment.

The United States government also has a long history of slapping unruly citizens with the mark of mental illness. President Franklin Roosevelt famously called his detractors “the lunatic fringe.

Meanwhile, politicians and mainstream media are quick to label anyone who questions the official narrative as a “conspiracy theorist,” a term that has been falsely associated with mental illness in pop culture.

A study in 2017 set out to determine whether or not believing in conspiracy theories was a form of mental illness. As expected they found the exact answer that they were looking for, people who don’t trust the government and mainstream media are crazy, and suffering from something called illusory pattern perception.

The mentally ill are more likely to be victims as they appear weak than they are to commit a violent crime. We don't need more gun laws what we need is to stop the drugs that doctors hand out in order to increase their profits. These drugs are very well known to cause violent behavior as these poisons change your brain chemistry.

The common denominator of all the mass shootings starting with Columbine is they were all on drugs legally prescribed by doctors. MSM downplays that because it is big pharma paying for them. We want to stop the violence we need to stop the drugs.

http://docshare01.docshare.tips/files/20788/207888145.pdf
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Great post! You are correct about how politicians will use "mental illness" as a method to control others.

For those that have never read the 45 goals of communism, please do an internet search.
It is a quick, but extremely disturbing read. It was presented as part of the Congressional record 1963. Read goal #39 below:

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

Has your doctor asked you if there are firearms in the house? If the doctor ever asks, your answer is no.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy if you suffer from mental health issues to the extent that you are a danger to yourself or others then your gun licence should be revoked. No argument.
@Mikemcneil oh looky there...my favorite gun grabber. How are you Mikey.

While I do not want firearms in the hands of the truly mentally ill, I also do not want progressive, activist doctors inventing mental illnesses in order to disarm citizens should they realixe you own a firearm.
@BizSuitStacy
Making up mental illnesses, really?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy you're paranoid. If the government wanted to remove guns from responsible gun owners it would have happened by now. Big pharmaceutical companies rule the medical world. They exist on profits. Just like the NRA.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@SomeLikeItHot you're entering the mind of a gun nut. Don't expect realistic views to be held
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@BizSuitStacy The 45 goals of communism are only the opinion of the American who wrote them. I'm sure one of the Russian government members could write equally creative interpretations depicting the 'goals' of capitalism, in a very derogatory manner towards America, but that wouldn't automatically make them true.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@fazer1k anybody in America has obviously forgotten the Mccarthy witch hunting of the fifties.
@Mikemcneil it's been determined that McCarty's investigation was legit. It's only the progressive left that continues the "witch hunt" banter.
@Mikemcneil really Mikey? You think the gov't could actually round up all of the guns in America? Bwahahaha! Too bad you can't get a script for a dose of reality.
@fazer1k ever hear of the Communist Party USA? Or do you think this is just isolated to Russia and China?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy the government don't want to round up all the guns in America. Only delusional paranoid nut jobs believe that. If you think your guns will stop them though do your research on what happened at the Waco compound. Guns and ammo galore didn't stop them dying did it?
@SomeLikeItHot so why do you think as the US moves closer to a single payer gov't controlled health care system, that doctors are now asking their patients if they own a firearm?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy the only Reds under the bed are in the Trump bedroom.
@Mikemcneil only moronic fools believe there is no one calling for bans and confiscation. Several politicians are record...Feinstein, Cuomo. H. Clinton, Obama are names a Brit may recognize. Former Chief Justice Stevens has called for a 2A repeal. Wake up.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy if you're mentally ill and own a gun a doctor doesn't have to ask you. As a responsible owner the gun is registered to the patient. Your paranoia is bad friend. Got any guns hidden away in your cave?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy I am awake. You're the one living in a dream world of your own making
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy no-one is calling for confiscation. They're calling for gun control. Two completely different things. No citizen needs a semi automatic rifle and thousands of rounds of ammo.
curiosi · 61-69, F
@BizSuitStacy You get it! You understand exactly what I was trying to say.
@curiosi like minds 😉
@Mikemcneil I know we will never agree on the subject of gun control. Lord knows we've debated this previously on EP. But to say "no-one is calling for confiscation" is not correct. You may not be saying it, but others have. Dianne Feinstein, and Andrew Cuomo have both come out and said they support bans and confiscation. Former Chief Justice Paul Stevens has called for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment in order to justify banning and confiscation. Others are more subtle. Obama and Hillary Clinton try to disguise it by saying they support Australian style gun control - which if you are familiar with Australia's Firearm Act of 1996, you know they banned semi-autos, and pump action shotguns, and had a mandatory buy back. Failure to comply would land you 10 years in prison. That is still confiscation - just not in the form of kicking in doors and taking the property by force.

What the gun control crowd actually wants varies from person to person, and to say you "just want more gun control" isn't specific. I debate gun controllists all the time. Some want minor changes, some want major changes, and there are some that want outright bans and confiscation.

Even in your case Mike - "no citizen needs a semi-automatic rifle and thousands of rounds of ammo." So...there are already 10s of millions of semi-automatic rifles in the US. What would you do to control them?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy I'd advocate for the Australian and UK approach. You know why because it proved to reduce the problem. It's for the greater good. I'd be happy for now if American authorities took the role of checking properly on existing irresponsible gun owners. Guns are too easily accessed by family members who aren't registered to own or use guns. That's been the case in quite a few of the recent school shootings. You wouldn't argue against that tightening up of existing legislation I hope. Every year in America four hundred thousand guns are reported as stolen in domestic burglaries. How in Hell are those owners allowed to keep buying other guns if they don't keep them safely at home in the first place...?
@Mikemcneil oh...so the guy who claimed "no-one is calling for confiscation" just advocates for confiscation.

You think the Australian and UK approach reduced the problem. Homicides increased in the UK by 60% immediately after the implementation of the Firearms Act of 1997. We've been through that one before Mike. The Australian Firearms Act of 1996 had no effect on the homicide rate at all. The homicide rate in Australia had already been in a long decline. The rate was unaltered after the law was implemented. The decline in firearm homicides was already projected, and most likely would have occurred regardless of the law.

It's the same in the US...there has been a steady decline in firearm homicides in the US for the last 25 years. It's down 50% since 1993. The gun laws are less stringent today than they were back then.

Oddly...it would seem that laws don't really deter violent criminals.

And now my favorite topic...shifting blame. According to the FBI, there are 3.7 burglaries every year. So...when a criminal breaks into a home to steal property, it's wrong. But if they steal a gun, somehow that's the fault of the gun owner? How is having a firearm accessible to its owner become an act of irresponsibility?

If someone steals your car and uses it in the commission of a crime, they don't blame the car owner for carelessly leaving the car just sitting on the street.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@BizSuitStacy Your figures regarding the UK are misleading. The number of firearms homicides in the UK was very low at just 59. 60% of that would be another 35 so not enough to tie it to the act specifically, and for the first 2 years after the act the firearm homicide rate went down. The rate increased significantly (in percentage terms) during the early part of the new millennium then dropped again. UK murder with firearms rates are very low and can leave no doubt gun control works.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01940/SN01940.pdf

(Table 7 breaks it down by reporting year)

Compare to America:

[quote]In 1997, 32 436 firearm-related deaths (12.12/100 000) occurred in the United States, of which 4223 of the victims were children and adolescents younger than 20 years of age[/quote]

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/105/4/888
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy car owners are allowed to leave their cars sat in the street. Gun owners should either have the gun on their person or securely locked away. Spot the crap analogy?
@fazer1k talk about misleading...the overall homicide rate increase by 60% after the Fireams Act. Not just firearm homicides. And it didn't start to decline until the police force was increased. And interestingly enough, some of the police started carrying firearms in the worst crime areas. Oh my!! UK police carrying guns...say it ain't so. Other violence sky rocketed as well. There are more physical assaults and home invasions in the UK per capita than in the US. Why? Criminals have no fear of being shot. Hell, in the UK, victims are prosecuted for defending themselves.

Then you post a stat from 1997! Interesting that you "chose" data from 20 years ago, coincidently (not) at the US gun violence peak. Oh...and 67% of those deaths are suicides. A gun grabber classic tactic to over inflate the issue. BTW...Since 1997, the rate of violence in the US is down dramatically across the board. The firearm homicide rate is down approx 50% since then. And guess what else...gun ownership has nearly doubled!

I agree, gun control works. It's a brilliant way of enabling criminals, and victimizing the innocent.