Liberalism is a waste of time and manpower.

I really am sorry to anyone this may offend but I may as well just be honest and hope that you’re secure enough to handle this accusation.

Liberals claim to be the voice for minorities and all that shit, when really all they do is cause violence, block traffic (including emergency vehicles, like the ambulance who was on its way to save a child who later died due to the delay), and stonewall everyone who disagrees with them, and then claim that it’s somehow a good thing because it somehow helps ease the false narrative that they continually perpetuate, despite it being disproven, time and time again.

[i]What’s got me so upset right now?[/i] Nothing but the fact that, despite being “the voice for minorities”, liberals relentlessly discriminate against the mentally ill by claiming bullshit like, “mass shootings are caused by mental illness in white people”. I can’t find the statistic right now, but mentally ill people are actually only responsible for something very low, like 2% of violent crimes. This statistic has been out forever, but that doesn’t mean anything to liberals. They still narrate that mentally ill people are loose cannons, and insinuate that they need to be locked up because they’re dangerous.

Did you read that statistic? Yeah, that makes mentally ill people VICTIMS. Not perpetrators.

Thanks to liberalism and their blatant lies, EVERYONE’S life is harder, especially that of white people, Christians, men, and the mentally ill. But most of all: EVERYONE! Take a fucking bow.

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Pherick · 41-45, M

Yea, pretty everything you just said is NOT true about liberals.

[quote]liberals relentlessly discriminate against the mentally ill by claiming bullshit like, “mass shootings are caused by mental illness in white people”[/quote]

No liberal is saying this, while most of us understand mental illness plays a role, we are more concerned, right now, about the weapons used in these killings. Mental health issues will be long in coming, working toward getting some of these high powered rifles out of circulation is something that can be done much faster.

InvaderNice · 26-30, M

@Pherick Exactly. Liberals are concerned about taking guns away from the mentally ill, just for being mentally ill. AKA stripping them of their rights and resources.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@InvaderNice No. Not exactly. We are concerned with gun control for everyone, not entirely focused on the mentally ill. Most liberals I know are of the idea that "less guns, means less mass shootings" which is pretty well proven the world over.

InvaderNice · 26-30, M

@Pherick I know you’re concerned about “gun control” for everyone. But I have yet to see a liberal use mental illness as an excuse to perpetuate the narrative, despite mental illness having VERY little to do with crime. It’s wrong. You should treat the mentally ill the same way as anyone else.

“Less guns means less mass shootings” is another topic that we can talk about another time.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@InvaderNice [quote]You should treat the mentally ill the same way as anyone else.[/quote]

I disagree with this pretty much 100%. If someone is truly diagnosed as being mentally ill, "prison rehabilitation" isn't going to work. You can't just say, well you committed a crime, and you did it for this weird mental reason, but I am just going to throw you into prison like normal and hope for the best.

Sadly thats we do alot of now, and it works very poorly.

We all understand mental illness is part of the problem, but its not the full story. I don't honestly know if Cruz was mentally ill, he struck me as just an angry, hate-filled shithead, no mental illness needed.

Its a nice disconnect to be able to call him "crazy" as then we can shift blame from too many guns and his hate being the reason for killings to him just being "nuts"

InvaderNice · 26-30, M

@Pherick You misunderstood me. I’m saying that liberals need to treat the mentally ill the same as everyone else when it comes to gun control. Not penalty.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@InvaderNice I think I understand.

Then we get into what you are defining as mentally ill. I am of the belief that there are some mistakes you only get to make once. You commit a violent crime with a gun? Thats fine, no more guns for you ever.

Similarly to mental illness, that we need a process in place to say, "Yes this person is a danger, and while no crime has been committed, they should never be allowed to own a gun".

We do the same thing for driving a car, there are many physical impairments that just put you out of the running for ever driving a car. Its a shame, but we have to be able to set some bar for these things.

Pitchblue

@InvaderNice Every time a White person is the mass shooter the Republican NRA crowd says the person was mentally ill, if the person is Brown he's immediately labeled a terrorist.

InvaderNice · 26-30, M

@Pherick I neither agree nor disagree with your two final paragraphs.

Regarding your first and second: you’re still misunderstanding. Taking a gun away from someone for committing a violent crime would be a penalty. Again, you and I have no disagreement on penalty.

InvaderNice · 26-30, M

@Pitchblue Firstly, I doubt that. Secondly, I don’t care because I don’t support republicans.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@InvaderNice So you think mentally ill people should have full access to guns?

InvaderNice · 26-30, M

@Pherick Considering the fact that they’re responsible for something like 2% of all violent crimes, yes. Saying otherwise would mean that those responsible for 98% of crimes have full gun rights while the rest don’t.

Pherick · 41-45, M

@InvaderNice CDC data for 2014 shows 42,826 suicide deaths. I would think we could agree that committing suicide is a good indicator of mental illness. One that can be fixed with time and effort, but thats obviously pretty severe.

21,386 of those deaths were committed with firearms. So if controlling gun access to the mentally ill could help save 21,000 people a year from killing themselves, I think thats a no-brainer.

InvaderNice · 26-30, M

@Pherick See that makes sense. I have no problem with that reasoning. It’s when people say that the mentally ill should not own guns, PURELY for the fact that they’re mentally ill—knowing nothing about it—that it bothers me.